*********** this is tamachan's reply to queenvee's "farewell letter": which you can find at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/15586 *********** *********** 6/3/2003: Follow-up clarification on recent events: As of this writing, a large majority of the money that has been donated to Ralf comes from the very people queenvee and nancy refer to as "debunkers". Most of us are geeks who do not believe in any of this zeta talk nonsense, greatly empathize with Ralf's plight and feel compelled to help him. Just to be clear, queenvee's readers DID NOT save her site, WE, the "debunkers" DID save her site. Distributed Denial of Service attacks are perpetrated by individuals with no morals, have plagued the Internet for years, and threaten the very livelihood of online communities such as the Internet Relay Chat. Absolutely NONE of us believes that queenvee's site www.shift2003.com serves any useful purpose whatsoever. Despite all this, Ralf appears to be willing to keep queenvee's site up and running FOR FREE. It would therefore only make sense that those users who do find this site useful make contributions to Ralf, may they be occasional or regular. *********** Well QueenVee, Good Riddance. See in-line comments: --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "queenvee59" wrote: > ********************** > QueenVee Bids Farewell > ********************** Ooo Oooo watch, this is us crying. can you hear us cry? Honestly, we are! > Well, as of May 20th, your friendly neighbourhood > hackers/debunkers/disruptors/all-around-assholes made it impossible > for Nancy Lieder to continue holding live IRC sessions. Shortly > thereafter they took over yet another ZetaTalk chat room, after which > I set up the #ZTchat channel on Undernet.org for those who wished to > continue having serious discussion about PX/poleshift issues with > other serious-minded individuals. Serious-minded? How about somewhat-confused, and thoroughly-misguided? Here's the problem: while some of your "moderators" may have acted with a bit more maturity at times, you have never, *ever* truly allowed rational discussions and debates to take place on the topics of "Planet X", "Zeta Talk" and "Pole shifts". When the heat came around the corner and a shred of truth and rationality was rearing its ugly head, you were quite prompt to "ban" people from your "channel". Has your ban list *ever* been comprised of less than 30 users, even while the channel was moderated? Every single one of Nancy's "Live IRC Sessions" have been sickening freakshows; better than any "reality-TV show" producer could have ever dreamed of. We all got hooked. Nancy would come on-line and spew her crap while hand-picking harmless questions and skillfully dodging any rational question such as: "Why aren't we seeing it yet?" There truly has never been a single on-line "discussion" with Nancy's participation. Ergo: your claims of "serious" discussion are laughable at best and infuriating to people who seek truth. This brings me to another concern: Zeta Talk wastes people's time. Whereas prime-time TV only wastes DUMB PEOPLE's time, and is mostly harmless, Zeta talk wastes *SMART* people's time, and takes time away from their accomplishing more constructive things in their lives. Zeta kooks such as you, Queenvee, will be quick to argue that nobody *forces* them to "debunk" Nancy's nonsensical rantings. This is true. But people who participate in newsgroups and on-line communities, such as sci.astro and the Internet Relay Chat, are simply incapable of ignoring misinformed rantings on subject matters they've spent a good chunk of their lives PASSIONATELY studying. Of all people, THEY are the ones who truly are the most thirsty for TRUTH. For years, Nancy has been adding a considerable amount of "noise" to what used to be a far cleaner "signal" on various scientific newsgroups. For years, both amateur and professional astronomers have been pointing their telescopes at parts of the skies in a desperate attempt to get Nancy to understand that her MYTHICAL PLANET IS NOT THERE. Such messages would subsequently get ignored. Finally, it has been obvious to anyone, who cared to pay attention, that you, Queenvee, have not believed in anything Nancy has spewed for *at least* the last few weeks. YET, you have consistently done whatever you could to keep chatrooms under "your control," focused on two highly useless things: - watching sunsets for any evidence that the Earth's rotation may have stopped. - watching public seismic reports. What has your agenda been, Queenvee? "Just have fun"? "Do your own thing in your own damn chat room?" Are you purposely misguiding people? To what end? To keep this thing going for a wee bit longer? Do you think this is all an entertaining game? While YOU, Queenvee, may be smart enough to take all of this with a fat grain of salt, my guess is that you aim to surround yourself with people who are not capable of that. Why are you really going away, Queenvee? Is it really because of those "evil hackers"? Or the fact that there have never been more than 3 active people on your channel at any given time for the past few weeks? Could it be the fact that ABSOLUTELY NONE of Nancy's predictions have come true? Could it be the fact most people who used to believe in all of this are, indeed, catching a glimpse of the *glaring* TRUTH and starting to DOUBT? Could it be that "your serious discussions" really have no more of a leg to stand on? Here's another problem, Queenvee: everything about your behavior screams two things: 1) mean 2) clueless That is a *very, very* unhealthy combination of character traits to approach the Internet Relay Chat with. Upon inspections of various logs, I highly doubt there has been any hacking involved. Channel control was simply "handed over" voluntarily or involuntarily. For YEARS, the software running most IRC networks has been enhanced to prevent such things as "channel takeovers" through what you so cluelessly refer to as "hacking". The only way the "control of a channel" can change hands is through negligence and social engineering against you. Those are very effective against people who match 1) and 2) above. > Since then the #ZTchat channel has been attacked several times a day > and subjected to several attempted take-overs. And now -- the last > straw -- the server-owner who has been hosting my website > (www.Shift2003.com) has seized it, demanding that I and my readers > cough up money to cover the cost of attacks on his server by the > aforementioned hackers/debunkers/disruptors/all-around-assholes. By the way, *I* gave $20 to Ralf, the guy who has been hosting YOUR site FOR FREE for over 9 MONTHS. So have most IRC attendees who you appear to be referring to as "hackers/debunkers/disruptors/all-around-assholes," simply because they dared attempt to shed some truth on Nancy's rantings while in your presence. Which has also been Nancy's policy: anyone who disagrees or tries to disprove the "Zeta talk preachings" is instantly placed in the "hackers/debunkers/disruptors/all-around-assholes" PILE, also known as (seldom-watered) "government plants", (under)"paid government spooks", "THEY", "THEM", or "blue meanies" (err wait, scratch that last one). I hardly doubt those people belong to those pathetic excuses for life forms known as "script kiddies" who launch Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attacks at Ralf's networks. Ralf would have been all over them. If you won't give him gratitude, at least give him *some* credit. > So this is where I call it a day, folks. As of today, the #ZTchat > channel is permanently shut down, the www.Shift2003.com website is no > longer in existence, and I am no longer available at > queenvee59@h... > > Best of luck to everyone. And be sure to thank your friendly > neighbourhood hackers/debunkers/disruptors/all-around-assholes for > their concerted efforts to restrict what you may or may not think, Those "assholes" could not possibly restrict anyone from thinking anything, and are now welcoming *everyone* on what shall remain the permanent, stable, "Zeta talk" irc channel: #zetatalk on undernet Here, all opinions are welcome, albeit subject to criticism and occasional harmless mockery directed at the hard-headed who refuses to *think*. Many of the "moderators" who used to help out both Nancy AND you, Queenvee, are now happy, well-adjusted, permantent "operators" of #zetatalk. > because they are all part of the New World Order > of the future. Hey Queenie, when this "new world order" "thing" happens, be sure to let us know, mmkay? Between Bush and aliens, I choose Bush, because I know I can vote him out of office. > But, hey -- maybe we'll get lucky and have a poleshift. ;-) You know, this last sentence is disturbing on *so* many levels, especially when looking at its sarcasm and what it means to the people who'll never get back the hours they've spent scouring thru the mindless earthquake and tornado reports you'd post to your site. You're basically telling them: "Oh, I was just kidding" or "That was all crap." End Seal Talk.