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HELPING DICTATORSHIPS IS NOT GOOD
PRESS FOR THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
"US, Vietnam eye closer bonds 10 years after
normalizing relations" story below.
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Subject: Earth to Hanoi: Read A Legitimate History
Book
Click on this one for article on smoke and mirrors charade
of Hanoi's,"new" regulations on religion. These techniques and approaches used in Eastern Europe and Soviet Union,
before it dawned on them that communism was stupid, and barbaric:
http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=598&printer=Y
Paris Peace Accords http://home.earthlink.net/~proudvietnamveteran/americans_working_together/id13.html
Agreement on Ending the War and Restoring Peace
in Vietnam, signed in Paris and entered into force January 17, 1973.
AGREEMENT ON ENDING
THE WAR AND RESTORING PEACE IN VIET-NAM The Parties participating in the Paris Conference on Viet-Nam,
With
a view to ending the war and restoring peace in Viet-Nam on the basis of respect for the Vietnamese people's fundamental national
rights and the South Vietnamese people's right to self- determination, and to contributing to the consolidation of peace in
Asia and the world, http://home.earthlink.net/~proudvietnamveteran/americans_working_together/id13.html
CAN VIETNAM BE TRUSTED. THEY BROKE THE LAST TREATY
AMERICA SIGNED WITH THEM... AND THEY ARE STILL A NATION,
WHERE ITS PEOPLE HAVE NO FREEDOMS, ESPECIALLY FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE CAN NOT VOTE. THERE ARE NO FREEDOM
OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF THE PRESS, ETC. ETC.
THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT STANDS
FOR HUMAN RIGHTS AROUND THE WORLD. BEFORE OUR TWO NATIONS BECOME
CLOSER, WHAT HUMAN RIGHTS WILL TODAY'S VIETNAM GIVE HER PEOPLE...?
HELPING DICTATORSHIPS IS NOT GOOD PRESS FOR THE
UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
Will the Politicians Of The United States Surrender the Vietnamese People To Communism A Second Time?
Here's A Chance That America Can Really Help The Vietnamese People...
Let the Vietnamese People have some real freedoms, and only then should the United States help the
Vietnamese Government. It's all up to the Vietnamese Government.
Today around the world, America's military is fighting for the same freedoms that the Vietnamese People
do not have... Here's an opportunity, where American politicians can win these freedoms for the Vietnamese People
without calling in our brave military men and women.
America's politicians are in position to help get the Vietnamese People the same freedoms that
our military are sacrificing for around the world.
Please write to your members of the United States Congress and Senate. Tell them you want
freedoms for the Vietnamese People now... Do it in honor of all those men and women on The Wall in
Washington DC.
THANKS
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US, Vietnam eye closer bonds 10 years after normalising
relations
HANOI (AFP) - Vietnam and the United States mark 10 years of normalised ties on a high after months of progress
which has fuelled expectations that relations between the former foes will only grow closer in the decades to come.
On July 11, 1995, president Bill Clinton declared in Washington that his administration was opening diplomatic ties with Vietnam. The next day,
the then Vietnamese prime minister Vo Van Kiet made a similar announcement in Hanoi.
The two sides were already cooperating closely on the issue of American soldiers from the Vietnam War missing
in action (MIA).
Despite lingering bitter memories of the war which ended in 1975 and left three million Vietnamese and 58,000
Americans dead and vocal hardliners weighing in on both sides, pragmatism had prevailed.
"Clinton decided to renew relations with Vietnam at no political advantage to himself," said his first ambassador
in Hanoi, Douglas "Pete" Peterson.
"He saw that as the right thing to do," Peterson said.
Since then, the diplomatic scene has been transformed. Commerce grew multi-fold, especially after the 2000
signing of a bilateral trade agreement and the two sides are negotiating Vietnam's accession to the World Trade Organization
(WTO).
They also signed in May an agreement on the highly sensitive issue of religious freedoms in Vietnam. Today,
the war is history.
Last month, Prime Minister Phan Van Khai made a landmark US visit, the first by a Vietnamese head of government
since the war.
The two sides notably signed an agreement on cooperation in the military domain. More importantly, Khai had
a significant tete-a-tete with President George W. Bush.
Hanoi revised its view of Bush as a warmonger after the meeting.
"Vietnamese leaders were surprised by the quite friendly and open attitude of Bush, even when he was broaching
issues considered sensitive," said a Vietnamese diplomat.
"This attitude is different from the image of a president who is often perceived in Hanoi as a hardliner on
issues such as Iraq, Afghanistan and ties with communist countries," the diplomat said.
Washington too learned to look on Hanoi with a kindlier eye. Prime Minister Khai, often visibly ill at ease
according to witnesses, had the benefit of the company of many bilingual officials well versed with the West, who knew how
to woo the Bush team.
Now, the two sides are looking to the future.
Next year, the US president is expected in Hanoi for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation ( APEC) summit and a bilateral visit.
Everything seems possible henceforth.
"There are still some issues. But I don't think there is anything that cannot be put on the table," said Adam
Sitkoff, executive director of the American Chamber of Commerce in Hanoi.
"It's more of a normal relations now."
In the next decade, experts say, relations will be influenced by regional compulsions, especially China, which
is both Vietnam's ideological mentor and its historical enemy.
"Anytime you see the emergence of a powerful country in a region, it changes the geopolitical balance and
I think China's emergence is an economic power which will spread in other areas," a US observer said, requesting anonymity.
"The stronger China gets, the closer Vietnam and the US will grow together."
That comment was echoed by a high-ranking Vietnamese defense ministry official, who said the scope of the
military accord signed in Washington last month could only expand by leaps and bounds.
"For the Vietnamese leadership, China remains a real threat, a predator always ready to devour Vietnam," the
official said.
"In such a situation, Vietnam would depend more and more on the world's leading power."
A massacre during the Vietnam War that few Americans heard about:
http://home.earthlink.net/~ducducvietnamfriends/an_unknown_massacre_in_vietnam/
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http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=598&printer=Y
This article was published by F18News on: 6 July 2005
COMMENTARY: Vietnam's new religion regulations don't help religious freedom |
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By Truong Tri Hien, a Christian lawyer who had to flee Vietnam in 2004 |
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Recent government religious regulations provide no basis for religious freedom, Vietnamese
Christian lawyer Truong Tri Hien argues in this personal commentary for Forum 18 News Service http://www.forum18.org . Even
these contradictory and restrictive documents have been dismissed by oppressive local officials, he reports. Hien was Acting
General Secretary of the Mennonite Church in Vietnam and fled his homeland in June 2004, after a warrant was issued to arrest
him for "resisting a person performing his duty." The Vietnamese Justice Code states that this includes "threatening to make
public information that will be unfavourable to the person doing their duty, or unfavourable to those close to the person
doing their duty". Hien had been documenting religious freedom violations. Hien pleads for foreigners to judge the Vietnamese
government by its continuing attacks on its own citizens' religious freedom, and to take action to force it to abide by international
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Freedom of religious belief and practice is a gift of God and a fundamental right guaranteed
in international law. In the past year, Vietnam's government has claimed that religious communities will be freer to exercise
their rights through the introduction of three legal documents: the Ordinance on Belief and Religion which came into force
on 15 November 2004; the Special Instructions Concerning Protestants (01/2005.CT-TTg) issued by the Prime Minister on 4 February
2005; and the Decree on Religion (22/2005/ND-CP) of 1 March 2005, which sets out how the Ordinance is to be implemented.
Some
observers hope that religious freedom will now be advanced. Optimists also cite the Vietnamese government's signing on 5 May
2005 of an agreement with the US government on religious freedom. The agreement only happened due to formal US designation
of Vietnam as a "Country of Particular Concern" (CPC) for religious freedom violations, with the accompanying threat of CPC
sanctions. But what the agreement says is secret and so it is impossible to verify independently either whether it represents
real progress, or if any promises made in the agreement are fulfilled. As US Commission for International Religious Freedom
vice chair Nina Shea rightly commented, "until there is independent monitoring, any claims of progress on religious freedom
should be viewed with scepticism".
The three legal documents offer little evidence for hopes of greater religious freedom.
Their provisions overlap and are contradictory, providing a convenient justification for officials at various levels to use
discretionary power to oppress religious organisations. In other words, "law" in this context does not mean the rule of law
as understood in democracies, but rather the excuses officials use to justify arbitrary actions.
One revealing illustration
of the "Catch 22" nature of the documents is the requirements imposed on religious communities to register religious activities
and seek legal recognition as a religious organisation, based on Article 16 of the Ordinance, before the state decides whether
or not an organisation is religious. Only after this does the state decide on the legality of religious activities –
which must, under the law, be recognised as legal before legal recognition can be sought! This poses a serious problem for
all religious groups, but particularly for Protestant house churches. Government officials argue that these contradictory
requirements are necessary for "maintaining public order and to help religious organisations achieve good results."
"Catch
22" problems don't end there. In order to register religious activity, a religious organisation must have believers. But in
order to be a believer, one must be accepted by a religious organisation – which can only exist if it already has state
approval. These contradictory requirements stem from article 6, section 2a of the March Decree, which specifies that applications
must record the number of believers. Article 3, section 8 of the Ordinance defines a believer as "a person who believes in
a religion and [note this requirement] is acknowledged as a believer by the religion". However, the definition of a religious
organisation in article 3, section 3 is "an assembly of believers with the same doctrines and ceremonies with a clear structure
which is recognised by the State".
In other words, the law says that state recognition is necessary before state recognition
can be applied for – and without that, neither religious organisations nor individual believers can legally exist.
Against
international standards, Vietnam insists that a religious community "must register its religious activities", thereby rendering
unregistered religious activity illegal. But even if a religious community wants to register, who registers it?
Both
the Ordinance and the Decree identify the Government Bureau of Religious Affairs and its provincial bureaus as the registration
authorities. But article 7 of the Prime Minister's Instructions commands other local officials to "carefully examine to see
if there is really a need for religious belief and (if there is) help them (religious believers) to register their religious
activities with commune and village or ward officials". This difference between the Prime Minister's Instructions and the
Ordinance allowed officials of Binh Khanh Ward in District 2 of Ho Chi Minh City [Saigon] to tell the Vietnamese Mennonite
Church that "we will follow the Ordinance. The Prime Minster has issued Instructions but each locality has the authority to
grant them or not."
After the arrests of six Mennonite church workers in March 2004, and their subsequent summary trial,
the authorities launched a sustained and systematic attempt to close down the church's office and the church that meets there.
Between 3 March 2004 and 30 May 2005, the church recorded 77 separate actions against them by police and local officials.
Two petitions to the prime minister on the basis of his Instructions have gone unanswered. When the church asked the central
Bureau of Religious Affairs how to get state registration, they were referred to the Ho Chi Minh City Bureau. This office
provided no guidance, except to (once again) order all religious activities to stop, while officials "consider" the situation.
The use of ambiguous terms and phrases not defined in law, such as Article 16's phrase "do not go against the nation's
fine traditions and customs nor against the common benefit of the people" is normal in Vietnamese government documents. "Stable
religious activity", another Article 16 phrase, also has no clear meaning in law and is variously interpreted by officials
throughout the country. Article 8, section e, of the later March Decree outlines various periods of stable activity. But what
does "stable" mean? This word has been used to exclude Protestant house churches, which have been pressured to disband because
they are not yet registered and do not have legal recognition. Moreover, some local officials are intentionally confusing
the registration of religious activities (allowed in the Prime Minister's Instructions) and the legal recognition of religious
organisations.
In practice, "stable" means whatever officials want it to mean. If the authorities accept an application,
they require that a religious organisation has 20 years of activity before being eligible for legal recognition. And while
waiting for the 20-year period to be completed, the religious organisation must cease its religious activities. If a religious
organisation persists in carrying on religious activities it can be charged with illegal religious activity – as happened
to the Mennonite Church – or it can be said that the religious organisation is not active and so not eligible for recognition.
The
Prime Minister's Instruction has been flouted or downgraded right across the country. In April 2005 in Lu Khau Village in
the northern Lao Cai Province, the authorities began proceedings to seize the land of 12 Christian families from the Hmong
minority. The reason given was that they were Christians. Seven officials, including the local police chief, illegally seized
the families' land and beat up family members, including a 70-year old woman. Officials offered financial rewards to get one
family to give up Christianity, tied up one man with wire and left him in the hot sun, and boasted that they would next target
another 32 Christian families. When one man went to Hanoi and brought back the Prime Minister's Special Instruction Concerning
Protestants, local authorities refused to recognise it and taunted him. On 4 July, a lawyer in Vietnam told me that 10 of
the 12 families had signed papers recanting their faith, to get their land back.
Since becoming Christians and joining
the Assemblies of God in late March, 2005, Le Thi Kim Son, of Thoi Thanh Commune in the southern Ben Tre province, and her
extended family have experienced extreme and persistent ridicule, harassment, death threats and physical attacks at the hands
of hamlet, commune and district officials, often drunk and acting in concert. Son's mother, who is a widow of a "martyr of
the revolution" has had her pension benefits rescinded. Christians injured by attacks from officials are warned by local doctors
that they will not be treated, while children of Christian families are denied tuition subsidies. Many petitions asking for
redress from local officials have not been accepted. When officials were shown a copy of the Prime Minister's Instruction,
the Christians were told it was a fake document and it was seized for a threatened lawsuit against them.
Many other
problems are thrown up by the latest legal documents, including obstacles to religious organisations having places of worship
– of which there is a great shortage due to the state's actions - and having legal representation, which is highly necessary
as Vietnam is a state governed not by the rule of law, but by the rule of official arbitrariness.
It is vitally important
in assessing Vietnamese religious freedom to look not only at the contradictory and ambiguous nature of government documents
– revealing as they are – but also at the government's actual practice, as the examples given illustrate. They
are a sample of Vietnamese central and local government actions in 2005, not a comprehensive list. Note that these examples
are both widespread across the country and also are not just the actions of oppressive local officials. The central government
is heavily involved in oppression.
Also, the examples I've given do not include other kinds of oppression practiced
in Vietnam, such as the torture and jailing of religious prisoners of conscience. An example is Baptist pastor Than Van Truong,
imprisoned without trial since May 2003 who is right now is incarcerated in a psychiatric hospital and being forcibly administered
anti-physchotic drugs. This month, July 2005, the public prosecutor has said that he is not under investigation for crimes
and a (since transferred) doctor at the hospital confirmed that Pastor Truong does not suffer from mental illness.
So
it is clear that the latest government documents cannot be said to provide favourable conditions for religious freedom. To
us Vietnamese in non-registered, non-legal religious organisations, the new documents reveal that the Party and the State
are still not satisfied with merely exercising a kind of benign administrative oversight of religion and religious activity.
It is still the old pattern of control, restraint, domination and suppression, along with presenting one face to foreign observers
and a quite different face to its own citizens. I agree with Catholic Cardinal Jean-Baptiste Pham Minh Man of Ho Chi Minh
City, who stated that "it would be better not to promulgate the Ordinance at all".
As a Vietnamese Christian lawyer,
I ask that foreign governments and human rights organisations pay more attention to the many victims of the government's religious
policy. This is especially important as the Vietnamese central government refuses to honestly stop its continuing persecution
of religious believers around the country.
I personally believe that real religious freedom will only be advanced if
Vietnam:
- withdraws all repressive legal documents without any exceptions;
- frees all religious prisoners
of conscience, as well as religious leaders operating under officially-imposed restrictions;
- allows religious organisations
(both registered and unregistered) to freely operate, without any "Catch 22" style complex requirements being imposed on them;
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stops all repressive actions against religious believers and communities;
- brings in the rule of law, instead of the
rule of arbitrary official whim, and legally punishes officials who oppress religious people;
- returns or provides
fair compensation for property seized from religious communities since 1975;
- and, after it has begun to take all
these actions, convenes a roundtable conference with all Vietnamese religious groups (registered and unregistered), as well
as independent international human rights observers, to resolve all the outstanding issues of relations between religious
communities and the Vietnamese state.
I hope my native country will seriously consider such bold initiatives to make
peace with religious communities. However, I believe that external pressure will be necessary. Soon after he was exiled from
the Soviet Union in 1974, Alexander Solzhenitsyn urged the outside world not to ignore the human rights violations in his
homeland, making his famous plea: "Interfere as much as you can. We beg you to come and interfere." Vietnamese religious believers
are waiting to see how far foreign governments and organisations will both judge the government on its actions, not its statements,
and also exert real pressure on it to respect international standards instead of allowing it to, as Solzhenitsyn put it, "strangle
its citizens in peace and quiet".
- Commentaries are personal views and do not necessarily represent the views of F18News
or Forum 18.
(END)
For an analysis and commentary, arguing that trade alone will not bring religious freedom
and advocating consistent foreign pressure to support the Vietnamese people's struggle for religious freedom, see F18News
2 February 2004 http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=242
For an analysis of the Ordinance on Belief and Religion,
see F18News 21 September 2004 http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=415
For a report on state interference
in the indigenous Vietnamese religions of Cao Daism and Hoa Hao Buddhism, see F18News 28 July 2004 http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=378
A
printer-friendly map of Vietnam is available at http://www.nationalgeographic.com/xpeditions/atlas/index.html?Parent=asia&Rootmap=vietna
Truong Tri Hien, a Christian lawyer who had to flee Vietnam in 2004, contributed this comment
to Forum 18 News Service. Commentaries are personal views and do not necessarily represent the views of F18News or Forum 18. |
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Why are the two teenage boys' in the below picture eyes
closed?

I found this great PTSD article on a military
base. It was in a FAMILY MAGAZINE for American troops.
PTSD does not only hit our military men
and women. It impacts a great number of Americans, who never left home...
Child abuse, elderly abuse, marital abuse,
street crime victims (rape), etc. are some of the biggest sufferers.
Understanding PTSD is a great way from keeping
it from passing down through generations.
MORE AND MORE LIBERAL-DEMOCRAT
LEADERS ARE LINING UP TO COMPARE THIS WAR ON TERRORISM WITH
THE VIETNAM WAR. SINCE HOLLYWOOD'S MOVIES WERE MOSTLY ALL
WRONG ABOUT THE VIETNAM WAR AND YOU WERE NOT TAUGHT ABOUT
THE VIETNAM WAR IN SCHOOL, LEARN IT ON THE INTERNET...
THE BELOW ARTICLES COME FROM THE BOOK
DIRTY LITTLE SECRETS OF
THE VIETNAM WAR
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IS HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF...
(Who Are Today's Terrorist Connections?)
Two recently discovered documents captured from the Vietnamese
communists during the Vietnam War strongly support the contention that a close link existed between the Hanoi regime and the
Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) while John Kerry served as the group's leading national spokesman.
Researchers Troy Jenkins and Tom Wyld located
the two Vietnamese communist documents referenced above in the archives of the Vietnam Center at Texas Tech University, in
the Douglas Pike Collection. Douglas Pike was a leading authority on the Vietnam War who collected over 2 million pages of
original documents now archived at the Vietnam Center. James Reckner, Ph.D., Director of the Vietnam Center at Texas Tech,
verifies that the documents in the Pike collection are original and authentic. The Circular and the Directive are listed as
items numbered 2150901039b and
2150901041 respectively.
IS HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF...
(Who Are Today's Terrorist Connections?)
Yes, the American Liberal News Media is one
connection.
Amnesty International: Insurgents are guilty
The Amnesty International report — "In Cold Blood: Abuses by Armed Groups" — said (terrorist)
insurgents were guilty of direct attacks intended to cause the greatest possible loss of civilian life, indiscriminate attacks
resulting in the deaths of civilians, targeting humanitarian organizations, abductions and killing captured and defenseless
police and military personnel.
"There is no honor nor heroism in blowing up people going to pray or murdering a terrified hostage.
Those carrying out such acts are criminals, nothing less, whose actions undermine any claim they may have to be pursuing a
legitimate cause," Amnesty said.
Rights Group Denounces Iraqi Insurgents
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