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Records back claim he was at meeting that discussed killing senators

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March 23, 2004

News management may have reached an embarrassing low in the Los Angeles Times for March 23 where an article by staff writer John M. Glionna purports to offer selections from the FBI file on soon-to-be Democratic presidential nominee John F. Kerry, who was under surveillance by the G-Men as a member of the executive board of the pro-Viet Cong Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

Presenting items from 50 documents carefully selected from what it reported were 14 boxes of related government papers 12 feet high, the Times confirmed from the FBI and other witnesses that Kerry had resigned from the VVAW leadership in November 1971 at a Kansas City board meeting to run for Congress.

For years Kerry claimed that he had resigned after a July 1971 meeting in St. Louis and had not been present for the Kansas City meeting that was moved from venue to venue to try to avoid FBI surveillance of the group's most secret plans.

The reason official confirmation that he did not leave the group until after the Kansas City meeting is important, say specialists on radical activities during the Vietnam era, is that the FBI documents confirm earlier reports by those present that Kerry participated in a closed-door discussion of a proposal to assassinate seven U.S. senators who were special targets of Hanoi, with whose agents selected leaders of VVAW had been meeting.

The Los Angeles Times made no mention of this part of the story, broken 10 days earlier in the New York Sun by founding New York Times books editor Tom Lipscomb and since spiked by editors coast to coast.

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UPDATE OF A STORY: A  V.V.A.R. SPECIAL

"The Los Angeles Times" recently reported that selected leaders of Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War met with representatives of Hanoi who told these leaders which senators they wanted assassinated. And that Kerry participated in a "closed -door discussion" on November of 1971 on whether to do this.  Kerry denies this, saying he resigned the organization in July of 1971.  But there
is a problem. Reporter Thomas H. Lipscomb in an article in "The New York Sun"
wrote:
"A Vietnam veteran who said he remembers John Kerry participating in a November 1971 Kansas City meeting at which an assassination plot was discussed says an official with the Kerry presidential campaign called him this month and pressured him to change his story.
   The veteran, John Musgrave, says he was called twice by the head of Veterans for Kerry, John Hurley, who told him,"Why don't you refresh your memory and call that reporter back ?" Musgrave said, "I told Hurley it was my first meeting as an state officer of VVAW and I remember Kerry being there. I remember what I remember."
By then, the recollections of six witnesses, along with minutes and FBI records placed Kerry at the Kansas City meeting, but the story has since then been sanitized until it simply disappeared.
  However, John Musgrave is a friend of Mr. Magruder and lives in the same area in Kansas.  He was one of 62 Vietnam vets Mr. Magruder interviewed in Houston for this film.  He appears in a photo with Mr. Magruder and General William Westmoreland at the end of the film. At that time Musgrave was running for President of Vietnam Veterans of America. Said Mr. Magruder, "Musgrave once
autographed a book of  his for me, "On Snipers, Laughter, and Death:Vietnam Poems," as follows: "To Len - a true friend of the Vietnam veteran and a friend of mine - your buddy- John. Said Mr. Magruder, "I have great admiration for John Musgrave. He is a man of great integrity and courage. He was very badly wounded in Vietnam and earned three Purple Hearts. He is very highly regarded in this community . He got out of VVAW when he saw how it was being used by the Left.  If he says Kerry was at that meeting in Kansas City, then Kerry was at that meeting, period. I think Kerry has a problem here that has been buried by a media that is campaigning for Kerry."

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  • KERRY'S TESTIMONY: In a question-and-answer session before a Senate committee in 1971, John Kerry asserted that 200,000 Vietnamese per year were being "murdered by the United States of America" and said he had gone to Paris and "talked with both delegations at the peace talks" and met with communist representatives. Kerry yesterday confirmed through a spokesman that he did talk privately with a leading communist in Paris. But the spokesman played down the extent of Kerry's role and said Kerry did not engage in negotiations.

    The Boston Globe: Kerry spoke of meeting negotiators on Vietnamexternal link

  • John Kerry's Political Friends

    By Thomas H. Lipscomb
    The New York Sun | March 15, 2004

    The anti-war group that John Kerry was the principal spokesman for debated and voted on a plot to assassinate politicians who supported the Vietnam War.

    Mr. Kerry denies being present at the November 12-15, 1971, meeting in Kansas City of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and says he quit the group before the meeting. But according to the current head of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, Randy Barnes, Mr. Kerry,who was then 27,was at the meeting, voted against the plot, and then orally resigned from the organization.

    Mr. Barnes was present as part of the Kansas City host chapter for the 1971 meeting and recounted the incident in a phone interview with The New York Sun this week.

    In addition to Mr. Barnes’s recollection placing Mr. Kerry at the Kansas City meeting, another Vietnam veteran who attended the meeting, Terry Du-Bose, said that Mr. Kerry was there.

    There are at least two other independent corroborations that the antiwar group Vietnam Veterans Against the War, of which Mr. Kerry was the most prominent national spokesman, considered assassinating American political leaders who favored the war.

    Gerald Nicosia’s 2001 book Home To War reports that one of the key leaders of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Scott Camil,“proposed the assassination of the most hard-core conservative members of Congress,as well as any other powerful, intractable opponents of the antiwar movement.” The book reports on the Kansas City meeting at which Mr.Camil’s plan was debated and then voted down.

    Mr. Nicosia’s book was widely praised by reviewers as varied as General Harold Moore, author of We Were Soldiers; Gloria Emerson, who had been a New York Times reporter during the Vietnam War, and leftist Howard Zinn. Mr. Kerry himself stated in a blurb on the cover that the book “ties together the many threads of a difficult period.” Mr. Kerry hosted a party for the book in the Hart Senate Office Building that was televised on C-SPAN.

    Another source is an October 20,1992, oral history interview of Scott Camil on file at the University of Florida Oral History Archive. In it,Mr.Camil speaks of his plan for an alternative to Mr. Kerry’s idea of symbolically throwing veterans’ medals over the fence onto the steps of the Capitol during the Dewey Canyon III demonstration in Washington in April of 1971.

    “My plan was that, on the last day we would go into the [congressional] offices we would schedule the most hardcore hawks for last ­ and we would shoot them all,” Mr. Camil told the Oral History interviewer. “I was serious.”

    In a phone interview with the Sun this week, Mr. Camil did not dispute either the account in the Nicosia book or in the oral history. He said he plans to accept an offer by the Florida Kerry organization to become active in Mr. Kerry’s presidential campaign. Campaign aides to Mr. Kerry invited Mr.Camil to a meeting for the senator in Orlando last week, but they did not meet directly.

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    Why Do Anti-War Protestors Attack Honorable Veterans
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    In 1971, as John Kerry was starting his political career by condemning all Vietnam Veteran as baby-killers, the Duc Duc Resettlement Village (20 miles southwest of Da Nang) was massacred.  The reason for the massacre and total destruction of 800 homes of the peasant-farming village was because the people of the village supported the Americans, who once served honorably there under the Marine Corps Combined Action Program (CAP).
     
    At the time, since John Kerry and his friends were so much in the American news-media, the slaughter of the Duc Duc Resettlement Village went unreported in spite of the hundreds of men, women and children who were killed, wounded or reported missing.
     
    John Kerry served his country well... but which country did John really end up serving for...  The people of Vietnam have the real answer.  I'm sure many of the Vietnamese Boat People are more than willing to answer questions
     
    Please press the below picture of Chilo and his baby friend for more details on the Duc Duc Massacre as well as the massacres of Hue City.
    Chilo (Texas) With One Of His Friends
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    THE TWINS
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    DUC DUC RESETTLEMENT VILLAGE

    Vietnam Vet Memorial Dedicated Memorial Day 1968
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    Rosedale, Queens, NYC

    Less than two years after the Rosedale Memorial was dedicated (Memorial Day 1968), Anti-war protestors expressed their opinions about the Memorial and the honored names of the war's dead.  Please press the above picture for newspapers clippings about the two anti-war attacks.
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    This Veteran Stood Proudly At "The Wall's" Dedication.
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