Summer Taping Experiences.
My name is Jonathan Babcock and I support Live Jazz.
That pretty much says it all.
No, really, you don't have to read any further. To read further is detrimental to both sanity and clarity.
OK. You asked for it.
(and don't say I'm not thorough!)
As the years go by, I'd say I support noisier and noisier Jazz, which is less and less popular. (That's nice if you don't like crowds). My earliest "religious musical experiences" happened at Yesshows. At their height, the band was capable of transporting audience members to wonderful & unusual places. Of course, after becoming immersed in these things, one's experiences tend to change. For instance, your impression of CTTE or AWAKEN is very different when you've heard it hundreds of times, as opposed to when it's something completely new. (Back in High School, I had a friend whose mother used to tell us that Awaken sounded like noise coming from the other rooml. She had documented proof of this) These days my girl points out that this music is annoying, and I really can't say she's wrong. But it's become a creepy spiritual thing. For me, listening to the band work through their music from night to night is very rewarding. For most of the people I know, that would be torture. But this page here anyway.
In the beginning, what I liked about this band was the "newness" the pieces held upon repeat listening (remember your first time through "Supper's Ready"?). I liked that you could isolate all or any of the different instruments and hear them individually working against or with each other. But I'm a lot older now, and I find what appeals to me in these guys changes from day to day. It's still very personal music to me-- literally NONE of my close friends are Yesfans, but several people I trade with are completists and audio fanatics or ex-yesfans or whatnot. Hence some of the rarities on this list (it's a list? So shut up already and show me the damn list!).
I work at home and still listen to quite a bit of Yes, but not as much as, say, Tom Cora or the Soft Machine or other not-so-accessable musics. Currently I am listening to... ...and don't get me started on the fine merits of Radical Jewish Culture╔ let's just say I prefer to have my mystical experiences in little clubs in NYC with less than 50 people in them these days, and at home I like to be surprised by music more often than Yes likes to surprise me. That might explain some of my opinions should you come across a post of mine somewhere.
Meanwhile, I still have boxes and boxes of these Yestapes, and i'd say I get a complete concert out every 4 or 5 days and give it a listen (you'd be surprised how much listening time there is in a 12 hour workday), and every time I do this I realize that there are fans out there who'd love to get their hands on this stuff, or at least ought to know what to expect when they do. And there you have it! I can't say I'll have time to get you a copy, but I really wish this stuff were a hell of a lot easier to find than it has been.
Making CDR copies of of old live Cassettes was harder that it should be with a Macintosh. In the earlier operating systems there was a handy little program called Discribe, distributed by Charismac which was the ONLY program that could do it right-- that is, burn live discs on a mac without any gaps between tracks. Check it out, if macs are your thing. Ssince all the software changes so frequently, I have found that the new version of Toast or Toast Lite will work fine with both system OS9 and system OSX. But I hate system OSX. (see, I told you it was difficult! It didn't work with system 8 and it didn't work while it was owned by Adaptec, but now distributed by Roxio, and as of this writing, I still feel it's a really crappy program.) Anyway, it now seems that Roxio Toast Lite 5.1.3 is capable of burning without the gaps now, and this software comes bundled with just about every burner I've seen advertised. Don't take my word for it, though. Remember how to get to Carnegie Hall: Practice. To top that off, I just heard that Roxio was going to go public and be traded under the name Napster. (I heard that on AM radio, so it has to be true!)
For editing I have been very happy with Felt Tip Sound Studio which is a fantastic piece of shareware for mac users like me. With these 2 products I was able to do wonders. Check out the "Fade Special" & "Paste Mix" filters in Sound Studio. Unfortunately, Sound Studio's resampling feature seems to be crap. Don't know why. I am currently seeking a fix for this, but haven't found one, so i bought a copy of Peak. DAMN was THAT expensive! I am saving spare dough up for a copy of Berkley Integrated Audio Software's Soundsoap, which I believe is exactly what I want to use to clean up old tapes, but I'm in no hurry. (mainly because I have not switched to OS X yet, and it only seems to be available in OS X. If anyone has an older version for OS9 drop me a line. I have a few questions about it.)
Here is a page detailing how I have patched in alternate sources or lowered clap-spikes.
I never use any EQ, but I will always "tweak" out the "bad" parts of the tape if possible.
Many of these digital tools can be really useful now that tape decks are leaving town.
Now I can't say that it's always a good idea to do these patches, but as we get more and more into the digital age, you can rescue your listening experience with just a little work. Usually I recieve shows quite raw and there are always a few glitches that can be fixed or tape flips where a good tape could have an alternate source spliced in. And while I don't think it feels "right" to splice into a live tape anything but another live tape of the same night, I can't say i haven't done it or won't do it again.
I'm just ponting out that we've come a long way from dubbing cassettes and begging the guy passing them on not to use Dolby or run the thing at 2X speed.
I make great tapes. I like to call them tapes.
While I'm happy to trade with any of you reading this, the true purpose of this list is to find lower gen copies of these shows and master them into better/more complete versions than my crappy old tapes from the 80's. Keep that in mind when you stumble across the right connections. Get the master, get a cleanA>D transfer, send it out far and wide so we can all hear it! If you absolutely must remaster the living fuck out of it, save a copy of the master. I guarantee you will need it. (if only so I can ask for it one day)
If you see something here you absolutely MUST have, I'll probably understand and we can work something out. If you have more information on any of these shows-- who taped them-- what equipment was used-- if they got hassled by security-- that's even better. I just dig that kind of stuff.
A couple of years ago I was forced to learn to type (that's right, born in '63 and I never, ever had to actually type with any authority-- I even made a decent living as a Calligrapher) and I used this as an excuse to catalog & review some of the Yesshows I'd collected.
So this began as a list of what I've catalogued so far + some new stuff from current traders.... this was exhaustive work, but it's proved helpful in identifying some of the tapes I enjoy. If you have some of these shows in your hands, compare them to what I've described, maybe you have a lost master or low-gen tape. Remember: that's the whole point.
Since putting this up, I've gotten mail from some of the original tapers, and been put in contact with one old trading friend from '84. Read on, and between this list and YOUR list, maybe we can find a way to upgrade some of this stuff into even more listenable/enjoyable shows. Since I started this page, about 20 shows have actually been upgraded + some new stuff has turned up, so I guess this really is working! But it's a slow process and the mass-distribution of remasters doesn't really help. That may be selfish of me to say so, because mass-distribution gets a lot of people listening to Live Yes and hopefully listening to quality-sounding Live Yes. But it also comes with the great curse of CDR trading (something that wasn't as much of an issue with Cassette Trading), the curst of NO INFORMATION. When people can burn at 32x, download shows daily without ever using their hands to touch the media, shows become mislabeled or information gets lost.
2002 was the year I gave up because I would get mail from people I didn't know SWEARING they had what sounded like the master tape or soundboard of some lost tales or Relayer show, and I'd get it only to find it's a heavily-EQ'd tape of a different show or the same show, sounding nothing like the master. There are a world of places to go find mislabeld shows now:
Phishhook is a good place to look. There are a lot of shows listed there that someone should check up on.
Tapetrader.com used to be a good place. I don't know if it's still there.
Etree.org was once a fabulous place to find mislabeled shows.
I think today there are at LEAST 10 more similar places to meet people who enjoy and collect live tapes and mail them back and forth, but the new trend is to have a fast connection and share them via download. Let's just hope the new trend comes with fabulous record-keeping skills or it will mean the end of pages like this.
Back in 1984 I was trading with guys 2 generations away from the masters; since putting up these pages I've met 4 people who taped shows in the '70s, which is KIND OF like getting mail from one of the original tapers of stuff I'd been listening to for years-- but better than that, they had stuff I'd never heard before or even knew existed! I was also put in touch with an old trading buddy, only to find he didn't care anymore. THAT is the unfortunate fate of many old cassettes, and the primary purpose of this page: to save the old Cassettes before they disintegrate!
I'm currently not JUST listening to Yes, so have a look at the most important part of this whole list ;-) ...my╩ Want List.
Here'slink to a List for the Advanced Traders who have been doing this long enough that the details below are unnecessary, or those that can't stand the detail.
Incredibly valuable links, arbitrarily chosen to disinterest, not checked out
A Brief History of Bootlegs
It's that kind of world, the kind where an alternate record company
exists and you can't go clamoring fast enough to catch up.
A REVIEW OF THE BOOTLEG THAT STARTED IT ALL
" More then 2,300 copies of "bootleg" Bob Dylan album are now being sold in... "
If you've read those 2, then you know why most of those "Factory" boots
listed above are so bad and why we should just keep trading tapes, right? ╩╩Except...
BOOTLEGGING, ROYALTIES AND THE MOMENT By Robert Fripp.
Forgotten Yesterdays ╩
Thanks, Pete! Look at his Page 1 links, you'll be glad you did.
Also check out the "Happy Birthday to FY" link.
All Music Guide
Pretty much any question you've ever wanted to know the answer to when it comes to music.
Of course, the more obscure artists could use YOUR contributions...
A link to a really important explanation of how tapes work. ESSENTIAL.
This was made by Zappa traders, and it's saved MANY circulating tapes.
A link to a really important explanation of how CDRs work. EQUALLY ESSENTIAL.
Similar to the above.
The Tape Trader Network
An interesting place to go learn the "what's out there" stuff.
Includes many interesting links to sites which discuss the right/wrong of live music trading.
Resources For Tapers
A place to post for things no one will have ;-|
Lots of interesting crap here. Or try searching for shows at Etree. Thanks to Matt P, most of these listing are spot on.
Or try searching for shows at Phishhook.
Another place to find some mislisted shows from the 70s. Of course some of the stuff will be correct, but not most!
Binaural Microphone Construction
LP to CDR Tips
Field Recording Tips from Sonic Studios.
EAC (Exact Audio Copy)
A nice EAC Tutorial.
Ruud would be after me if I didn't point you towards Feurio
Here are some CDR FAQ.
US Postal Service
Best thing about the US Govenment.
...I usually buy from these guys or these guys...
...or these guys...
...or these guys...
depending upon who has the best prices or cheapest shipping.
I will always, ALWAYS recommend comparing as many suppliers prices& policies & shipping rates as possible to see what's up.
Advanced Book Exchange
"ABE" is a good way to find any of those publications that fetch high
prices on internet auctions-- or, if you're like me and can't get enough BOOKS,
this is one of 3 good, fast ways of finding books not in your local shops.
107 Norfolk Street (Between Delancey & Rivington) 212-358-7501
Here's a place I frequent. Get there early for a seat if it's a presale show.
Downtown Music Gallery
A place I support with links to places I frequent. What it's all about, for me.
Look at their Recommended gigs page and you will see listed some of the shows i am taping.
The Annotated LAMB LIES DOWN
by Jason Finegan, Scott McMahan and Paperlate (December 1993)
This link comes & goes, it's not there now, for instance.
An interesting essay if you have a few years to study it.
Sometimes it's here.
Peter Blegvad's Leviathan
Other things I'm interested in. Notice I don't tell you much about it (or Peter).
Rare Bit Fiends
Rick is one of my very favorite individuals. He hasn't updated this in ages, though....
Ask me a question
(This mess was last updated --and just barely, at that-- in August of 2004)