Followup-To: poster Subject: Skinny Puppy and related project FAQ v5.9 From: coreygoldberg@earthlink.net Newsgroups: alt.music.skinny-puppy,alt.fan.skinny,rec.music.industrial,alt.answers, rec.answers,news.answers Archive-Name: Skinny-Puppy Posting-Frequency: irregularly ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Skinny Puppy (and related project) F A Q (Frequently Asked Questions) Version 5.9 Last Updated November 14, 2003 A comprehensive guide to the projects of cEvin Key, Nivek Ogre, and Dwayne Goettel Written and maintained by Corey (coreygoldberg@earthlink.net) With contributions from SKUMM (andersod@up.lib.mi.us) Nettwerk's customer service (quoted in VI:c, and part of IV:Ra:c) With thanks to and help from: Aaron; Amphion; James Annet; Artmaker; Ayse; Brian from Metropolis; Patrick Campbell; Carl; Chris from Beta-Lactam Ring Records; Peter Cieghn; Greg Clow; Dierdre; Paul Everingham; FFreddy; Scott Graham; Sean Graham; Jo-Ann Greene; Brian Giorgi at Varese Sarabande; Andrew Gowans; Rene H.C.; Kristy Holt; Andreas Horlen; Darren Huss; JDL; Carol Kaye; cEvin Key; Martijn der Kleer; L'Ogre2'3; Blaine Lefort; Lord Leto II; Greg Lewis; Kevin Lewis; Dead Shot/James Lister; Loki; MagerValp; Daniel McKernan; William Morrison; Ben Nagel; Peter Nielsen; Ogre; David Pattee; Bill Piper; Dale Pleven; Bill van Roy; Alex Scull; Mario Seelig; Sevorg; Gary Smith; Mark Spybey; Tenebrae; ToM; Joe Vizvary; Phil Western; Todd Zachritz; Subconscious Communications and their web site; Nettwerk (esp. Armand Sebris and Adam Drake); everyone who contributed but whose name I lost/forgot; and of course Skinny Puppy and everyone involved with it. Dedicated to the life and music of Dwayne R. Goettel. In memory of Alan Nelson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not reproduce or alter this document in any way for any purpose other than your personal use without my permission. This document does not support or endorse the sale or purchase of 'bootleg', 'counterfeit', or 'pirate' material in any way. Any mention of such items contained in this FAQ is for the sake of comprehensiveness. Any mention of 'bootlegs' refers only to the non-profit trade of such material. Any questions, corrections, additions, comments, etc. can be mailed to me at coreygoldberg@earthlink.net Feedback is greatly appreciated! You can obtain the latest version of this FAQ on the web at http://www.monmouth.com/~sgoldberg/index.htm or by requesting it from me through e-mail at the above address Brap On... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's how it works: each section is given a roman numeral, followed by either a lower case letter marking the question or a sub-section abbreviation, which is itself followed by a question marking letter. Each of these 'levels' is separated by a colon. The only exception to this rule is section III, in which case the person's name is considered sufficient for a question marker. The sub-sections for section VII, other projects, are organized alphabetically by the abbreviation which I have chosen. (changes before this have now been archived since they're of no use to anyone) I-General Questions II-Member Info III-Other Personnel IV-Questions By Album/Era IV:BF =Back and Forth= IV:Re =Remission= IV:Bi =Bites= IV:M =Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse= IV:CFM =Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate= IV:V =VIVIsectVI= IV:Ra =Rabies= IV:TDP =Too Dark Park= IV:LR =Last Rights= IV:P =The Process= IV:Br =Brap= IV:AIDY =Ain't It Dead Yet? (live)= V-Miscellaneous Questions VI-The Videos VII-Other Projects and Bands VII:AJ =Ministry/Revolting Cocks/PTP= VII:CA =Cyberaktif/Front Line Assembly= VII:CC =A Chud Convention= VII:CK =cEvin Key Solo= VII:D =aDuck= VII:DL =Download= VII:DT =Doubting Thomas= VII:H =Hilt/The Flu/Lee Chubby King= VII:HODD =Hell O' Death Day= VII:I =Involution= VII:LG =The Lung Goblins= VII:MM =Mutual Mortuary= VII:MS =Mark Spybey/Dead Voices On Air= VII:O =ohGr/W.E.L.T.= VII:P =PlatEAU= VII:PF =Pigface= VII:RD =Raw Dog= VII:RX =Ritalin= VII:SUB =Subconscious Communications= VII:TTG =The Tear Garden/The Legendary Pink Dots/Twilight Circus= ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frequently Asked Questions "Answer me. Can't you talk? Can't you move? Answer me!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- I-General Questions- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- I:a-How did the band start? Skinny Puppy first began as a project of cEvin Key. Frustrated with his role as drummer in what had become a pop band, Images in Vogue (see II:e), he had the urge to create something that was raw and reflected his more experimental tastes. Having learned a great deal about the technical aspects of electronic music from his time in Images In Vogue, cEvin felt he knew enough to be able to do it on his own, and started experimenting. cEvin considers the track 'Meat Flavor' (a.k.a. 'Meat Flavoured Factor') recorded in December of 1982 to be the first official Skinny Puppy recording. Eventually he met Ogre and discovered that they had similar tastes for the extreme in electronic music, horror films, etc. Ogre began adding lyrics to cEvin's music and they began writing songs both as a reflection of their musical influences and as a reaction to everything they hated about pop music. Manipulating and mutilating sound that was already in existence in combination with the misuse of electronic devices, Puppy began creating "audio sculpture". Dave Ogilvie, an engineer whom cEvin had encountered via Images in Vogue, allowed the duo free studio time at Mushroom Studios in January of 1984. One track resulting from these sessions in combination with a number of their home-recorded works, formed their first tape, 'Back and Forth'. Taking a cue from the underground cassette trading culture, the band distributed their homemade album around Vancouver and elsewhere. In February Skinny Puppy made their live debut at what reportedly a local poster shop called Unovis. As luck would have it, a friend of cEvin's was starting up a record label called Nettwerk. Skinny Puppy signed to Nettwerk and released their first album (technically an EP) entitled 'Remission' in 1984. The next year, while working on Skinny Puppy's second release, 'Bites', cEvin left Images in Vogue to devote himself to Skinny Puppy full-time. The rest is history. (For a more detailed account please see http://www.monmouth.com/~sgoldberg/hist.htm) I:b-Where did they get the name Skinny Puppy? What does it mean? cEvin had come up with the name Skinny Puppy even before he had met Ogre, while he was doing some experiments on his own. The name seems to have first surfaced in 1981, at which time cEvin made membership cards for the proposed members of a band which never ended up existing. One member of Images in Vogue recalls cEvin using the term Skinny Puppy while speaking to a dog somewhere on tour. cEvin has also said that he used the name when he used to build small sculptures of dogs out of chocolates and such at parties. While the name can be interpreted a number of different ways and has many different levels of meaning, the basic idea is that of an abused, neglected animal who doesn't speak much but when he does it is a pain filled yelp. This 'concept' seems to have been retroactively created after the name was already envisioned, but is still quite relevant. Early on, the concept for the band was to look at the whole world through the eyes of a dog, "seeing through the keyhole", as it were. This resulted in Ogre's lyrics for 'K-9', which became what is in some ways the first Puppy song. I:c-What were their influences? There were many bands that were influential to Skinny Puppy. One of the major, early influences was Throbbing Gristle, the band that began the Industrial Records label in the late '70s. Another heavy influence was the pioneering German synth band Kraftwerk. cEvin said once that when he got his first Kraftwerk album, he got rid of the rest of his record collection and started over. Some have suggested that early Skinny Puppy was a combination of these two ends of the musical spectrum. Other influential bands include SPK, Cabaret Voltaire, Nocturnal Emissions, Portion Control, the Legendary Pink Dots, and many progressive, electronic, pop, and rock bands too numerous to mention. It has also been suggested that Ogre's taste for live performance art is a result of him being a fan of Alice Cooper. cEvin has also said once that one of his major influences was his very first concert, Emerson Lake and Palmer. I:d-Where is from? Many spoken samples and sounds were taken from movies. A definitive list of the sources for each song's samples can be found at the Skinny Puppy Internet Database (http://skinnypuppy.deell.com/). Another place to find info on samples by Skinny Puppy and any other band (including projects like Doubting Thomas) is the Top Sample List (http://www.sloth.org/samples/) Skinny Puppy was the long reigning champ as highest sampling band but has now been eclipsed by none other than Wilhelm's FLA. I:e- sounds nothing like , wtf? Skinny Puppy were not a band to repeat themselves. Rather than stagnating their sound constantly changed, grew, and morphed. No one album can give a complete indication of what they sounded like. Everyone has their favorite, so get 'em all and decide for yourself. Yep, this answer is a cop out. I:f-How many people listen to Skinny Puppy? At the time of their breakup Skinny Puppy had sold over 1,000,000 records, which works out to an average of one record sold about every 6 - 7 minutes over the course of their 13 year existence. And that doesn't even include singles, side projects, and sales after the breakup. Download's album 'The Eyes Of Stanley Pain' alone had reached almost 20,000 sales in less than a year and a half of release, which roughly works out to one copy of the album sold about every 30 minutes. And, yes, this section exists simply for my own amusement. I:g-What new stuff is coming out? Since this FAQ is more of a permanent document than a constantly updated news source, this is not your best bet for the most up to date information on new releases. Please check Litany, the Skinny Puppy/Download/ohGr news site (http://userpages.aug.com/sgraham/)for the most up to date info. It is an excellent site and is frequently updated (note that I wrote the above spew of praise before I became a contributor to Litany). However, here's a list of recent, planned, or possible Puppy related releases -Skinny Puppy: (possibly for 2004) -V/A: Underworld Soundtrack (available, feat. first new Skinny Puppy song, "Optimissed") -Subconscious 'From the Vault' Subscription Series: Download- Inception (available) Skinny Puppy- Puppy Gristle (available) Download- III Steps Forward (available) PlatEAU- Iceolator (available) Skinny Puppy- Back and Forth Six (available) The Tear Garden- Eye Spy With My Little Eye (available) Hilt- The Worst of the Flu 1985-1989 (available) For more information see http://www.litany.net or to purchase see this link: http://www.subconsciousstudios.com/htms/buythings.htm -ohGr: SunnyPsyOp (availble, Spitfire records) -cEvin Key: The Dragon Experience (available, Metropolis Records) -Martijn de Kleer: So Close Yet So Far Out (feat. cEvin Key, available) -Collide: Some Kind of Strange (feat. cEvin Key, available) -Mark Spybey: I Have No Money But I Am Antonin Artaud (feat. cEvin Key, available) I:h-What's this I hear about a reunion? Is this true? Will they record new material? On August 20, 2000 cEvin and Ogre reunited for a one-time live performance in Dresden, Germany at the Doomsday festival. (see IV:D for further info on the Doomsday show and CD). cEvin Key then performed drums with the live configuration of the ohGr project while Ogre was the featured guest on one track from cEvin's solo album, 'The Ghost of Each Room'. They have mentioned the possibility of future Skinny Puppy shows or tours, but there are no known specific plans for anything yet. cEvin and Ogre have confirmed that they are recording new material under the name Skinny Puppy, featuring friends and guests such as Omar Torres, Ken Marshall, and Statik. The first track to be released from this new material is 'Optimissed', available on the soundtrack album to the film Underworld. They have recently announced that Skinny Puppy has signed to the label SPV. I:i-Where else can I find information on Skinny Puppy? In they days since their breakup, the number of Skinny Puppy related web sites has skyrocketed, and as a result I can not even attempt to list them all here. Many have come and gone quite quickly. However, here are some key sites to check out in no particular order: Litany: Skinny Puppy / Download / ohGr news http://www.litany.net http://userpages.aug.com/sgraham The best place to find the most up-to-date news and information. And I write a bit for it, so it must be excellent. The Skinny Puppy Internet Database http://www.skinnypuppy.org/ The best site for finding samples sources and clips of the samples themselves, plus tons of other goodies. Brap...The Skinny Puppy and Download Discography http://www.evansville.net/~tgodsend/brap.html The ultimate and authoritative guide to all SP related recordings. Epilogue (the Skinny Puppy related mailing list) http://staff.washington.edu/bradleyb/epilogue/ E-mail discussion forum for all things SP related. The above address contains the archives as well as subscription information Skinny Puppy Central http://www.waste.org/~skumm/ Comprehensive general site, but unfortunately in disrepair. Formerly 'the unofficial homepage'. Skinny Puppy's Last Rites http://www.nucleus.com/~philip/ Another great all around site which is also unfortunately dead at this point. Was at one point briefly 'officially' sanctioned by cEvin Key. Subconscious Communications http://www.subconsciousstudios.com/ The official site for the Subconscious team. The Skinny Puppy Web Ring http://w.webring.com/hub?ring=puppy A hub for some of the many sites that are not included above but have a plethora of useful information, images, etc. Beware of dead links and abandoned/out-of-date sites. OhGr official page http://www.ohgr.net Official site for the ohGr project maintained by Loki. The Skinny Puppy FAQ and Lyric Archive http://www.monmouth.com/~sgoldberg/ My own forever-incomplete site. The place to get the latest version of this FAQ and my other ramblings. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- II-Member Info- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- II:a-Who were Skinny Puppy? Skinny Puppy started out as cEvin Key (Kevin Crompton) and Nivek Ogre (Kevin Ogilvie). cEvin created most of the music and Ogre did the lyrics and vocals. Early on Ogre contributed somewhat to the music, playing some synths, percussion, and handling some of his own vocal treatments. When they began recording at Mushroom Studios for the first time in January '84, they hooked up with producer Dave Ogilvie, who had worked with cEvin as an engineer on Images In Vogue. He assisted the Puppies on their first studio-recorded track, 'Sleeping Beast', which appeared on 'Back and Forth series 1' and later in a more refined form on 'Remission'. Dave (a.k.a. Rave) provided free studio time for Skinny Puppy to work on some of these tracks. Rave would remain a major contributor to the band throughout most of their existence. His participation should not be overlooked. When they started playing live, they needed another keyboardist and brought in their friend Wilhelm Schroder. At the time, Wilhelm didn't know very much about music, but really wanted to play so Key showed him the ropes. Wilhelm played bass synth on some early tracks and on the 'Bites' tour (plus moaning on 'Stairs and Flowers'). He was never listed as an actual member on any of the releases, however. For a variety of reasons, he quit the band halfway through the recording of the third album, 'Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse', and went on to start Front Line Assembly as Bill Leeb. To fill the void, cEvin brought in Dwayne R. Goettel (see question below), a 'classically' trained and technically skilled keyboardist. Dwayne soon became a vital member of the band. This lineup lasted for the rest of the bands' history. When Skinny Puppy broke up on June 12, 1995, Ogre went his way and cEvin and Dwayne went theirs. Tragically, Dwayne died of a heroin overdose on August 23, 1995. His legacy, as that of Skinny Puppy, forever lives on. II:b-What is cEvin Key doing now? Where can I reach him? He is currently juggling a number of different projects including solo work, Download, The Tear Garden and PlatEAU out of Subconscious studios in Los Angeles. He most recently assembled and released the From the Vault CD series of archival and new recordings of his many projects through Subconscious Communications. Following this his third solo album was compiled from recordings dating from the early days of Skinny Puppy (ca. 1985). He is currently at work on new Skinny Puppy recordings with Ogre. cEvin Key has an email address (ckey@sbcglobal.net). He is very good natured and generous about answering fans' questions. II:c-How the hell do you pronounce cEvin's name? He pronounces it just like "Kevin". Yes, in a clip on the 'Brap' CD-Rom he pronounces it like "seven" but this is merely a joke. II:d-How did cEvin get the nickname Kenny King? Someone was calling cEvin to the phone, and mispronounced his name as Kenny King. And so, a new nickname was born. This is said to have happened on the same day as the Cincinnati arrest incident, but that seems to conflict with the name King appearing on the earlier Lee Chubby King project (see below). II:e-What was cEvin doing before Skinny Puppy? cEvin performed with many bands before starting Skinny Puppy. One of his first bands (of sorts) was called the Fuck Brothers and consisted of a thirteen year- old cEvin and his friend Dick Hardy (apparently that is actually his real name) and began when cEvin got made fun of after having a bad haircut. After this inspiration, they recorded their first 'album' on eight-track tape. Later, they recorded a second album called 'Live at Istanbul' inserting crowd noise between songs. This was recorded over an old Tangerine Dream eight-track which was later stolen. He was also in a band called Illegal Youth with Al Nelson, who would later return for the Hilt project. Many years later, cEvin was the drummer for the synth-pop band Images in Vogue. In addition to cEvin, the band also included Glen Nelson (brother of Al Nelson), Joe Vizvary, Gary Smith (who later became a film producer who worked with Jim Vanbebber, see questions on Charlie's Family and Chunkblower), Don Gordan (who later left and formed the band Numb), and Dale Martindale. Their recordings featured cEvin on drums until 1985, when cEvin quit to devote himself to SP fulltime. (See section III for more info) II:f-What is Ogre doing now? Where can I reach him? After the breakup of Skinny Puppy, Ogre recorded an album with Mark Walk as W.E.L.T. for American Records. However, for a variety of reasons, this went unreleased. Ogre then recorded the album 'Bedside Toxicology' with Martin Atkins as Rx (a.k.a. Ritalin). Unable to get the rights to the 1995 W.E.L.T. album, Ogre and Walk re-recorded the material. The resultant album was released on Spitfire records in March of 2001, under the name ohGr. 'Welt' was instead used as an album title to avoid conflict with the unrelated band named Welt. The ohGr project toured in support of the album featuring cEvin as drummer. ohGr's second album, 'SunnyPsyOp', was released in 2003. Ogre is currently at work on new Skinny Puppy recordings with cEvin Key. His other recent activities include the recording of a new cover version of 'Smothered Hope' for 'Remix Dys Temper' and a cover of Madonna's 'Borderline'. He has also contributed to two KMFDM albums and toured with the band. I am sorry, but I do not know how to reach Ogre. While he may use e-mail, he has not made his address public. (See section VII:O for more info) II:g- What was Dwayne up to before Puppy? How did he get involved in the band? Dwayne, who grew up in Edmonton, was in a band by the name of the Pinstripe Club, who later changed their name to Psyche. The band released many records but only after Dwayne left. He was also in a band called Voice (at one point also named Office) which did record an EP for a local independent label. Another called Water, which featured a female vocalist, never recorded but had opened for Puppy on the 'Bites' tour. After this tour, Wilhelm Schroder (later Bill Leeb) did not want to go on another tour with Skinny Puppy and left the band. cEvin remembered Dwayne from his opening spot and he was brought in half-way through the recording of what would become 'Mind:TPI'. cEvin and Dwayne quickly found that they worked well together and began jamming. This resulted in their first song, 'Antagonism'. Dwayne was a member of Skinny Puppy until their breakup on June 12, 1995. II:h-Are Dave "the Rave" Ogilvie and Kevin "Nivek Ogre" Ogilvie related or the same person? Absolutely not, it's all just a coincidence as far as the same last names go. Certain incorrect information has been printed elsewhere in the past, but they are not related in any way. II:i-OK, two Ogilvies I can buy...but three? Who is this Rosie "Mowse" Ogilvie? Rosie Ogilvie is Dave Ogilvie's wife. She does backing vocals on 'Tear Or Beat' as Mowse and performed with Ogre and Rave at some animal rights benefit shows. II:j-Who is the Green Guy? Some say the green guy is the person who provided pot during the recording process, others say its Dale Plevin who played bass on some tracks, still others say it was cEvin under the influence, and yet others say it's a name for Marijuana altogether. Though often it's used just to refer to pot, in at least some instances it does seem to refer to an actual person. cEvin once said that the Green Guy was a "a friend of ours named Phil. A guitarist. He's been around since the Puppy days and he has the 'gift of the Green thumb'". On 'Too Dark Park', the Green Guy receives credit for playing 12- String on 'Rash Reflection'. That song's BMI listing includes a credit for someone named Phil Spearpoint. Perhaps he is the elusive Green Guy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- III-Other Personnel, Related Artists, Friends, etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Special thanks to Todd Zachritz for help with this section) A (?) indicates someone whose identity and/or name is somewhat in question. -Who are they, what did they do, and what are they doing now? -Ric Arboit Ric worked as Images In Vogue's stage monitor man. Later, he recorded the audio for 'Ain't it Dead Yet?' and assisted in the mixing of 'Chainsaw', 'Cage', and 'Assimilate (r23)'. Ric was, and may still be, an executive at Nettwerk. -Sir Arthur (?) Re-edited 'Testure (12" mix)' -Martin Atkins (a.k.a. Atkyns) Martin, already an accomplished drummer with credits including P.I.L., performed on Ministry's 'The Mind Is a Terrible Thing to Taste' tour. It was on this tour that he hooked up with Ogre and formed Pigface, a band with a constantly revolving membership. Ogre appears on many Pigface releases and has toured with them multiple times. After Roli Mossiman was let go from 'The Process', Martin Atkins was brought in to produce. Although he was eventually replaced by Rave, some of his contributions are still present on the final album, including his background voices on 'Death'. Martin receives a co-writing credit for the track 'Candle'. He later joined with Ogre for the Rx/Ritalin project. Martin continues to record and tour with Pigface, and manages Invisible Records. -Keith Auerback (a.k.a. Fluffy) Chicago area producer/engineer and associate of Al Jourgensen, Keith co-mixed 'Fascist Jock Itch' with Al Jourgensen and Jeff Newell. -Blixa Bargeld Longtime member of pioneering band Einstuerzende Neubauten, and legend in his own right, Blixa contributed vocals, piano, and production on the Cyberaktif track 'Paradiessiets' as well as piano and FX on the Cyberaktif b-side 'Meltdown'. -Ben Bass (?) Credited with participating in Hilt's 'Journey to the Center of the Bowl' album. -DJ Egyptian DJ Egyptian performs on the Download track 'Dubplate from Ochy'. Apparently he was a street rapper who met cEvin Key outside of a small studio in Ocho Rios, Jamaica. A group of singers supposedly held an impromptu competition of which cEvin was the judge. DJ Egyptian won. -Murry Elias Along with Justin Strauss, remixed both 'Stairs and Flowers (Def Wish mix)' and 'Stares and Flowers (Too Far Gone)' (a.k.a. 'Stairs and Flowers (dub)'). -Tom Ellard Lead man of Severed Heads, Tom Ellard was associated with Puppy early on. He produced and performed on 'Assimilate' and performed on 'Chainsaw'. In '86 SP and Severed Heads went on a joint tour. Ellard worked as an engineer for some of the Doubting Thomas sessions, but walked out due to a falling out with the band. He is credited with engineering on two tracks on the Infidel album and 'impromptu' remix of 'Blowfish' from 'Paradigm Shift'. -Meklaker Fletcher (a.k.a McClacker Fletcher) Credited with authoring the Hilt track 'White Stuff' in 1978 according to the sleeve. Also credited with mixing and production assistance on 'Call the Ambulance...' as well as additional engineering under an alternate spelling of the name. 'The Worst of the Flu' credits Meklaker Fletcher with assembling the album, seemingly revealing that this is another alter ego of cEvin Key. -Lee Fraser (a.k.a. Bagman) Aside from Sheep on Drugs and his solo Bagman project on the Invisible label, Lee performs additional keyboards and programming on 'Bedside Toxicology'. -Steven R. Gilmore Longtime SP cover artist, SRG did the artwork to almost every Puppy related release, in addition to a host of other bands on the Nettwerk label. His relationship with SP can be traced back as early as the Images in Vogue days, when he designed posters and t-shirts for the band. After 'Rabies' SP switched to Jim Cummins for their artwork, but returned to SRG for 'the Process'. Steven may have also done the artwork for 'Paradigm Shift'. Most recently he designed the sleeves for 'Bedside Toxicology' and 'Remix Dys Temper'. -Chris Greene Chris mastered and co-mixed 'Bedside Toxicology'. During the mastering process he contributed additional post production on three songs. He also plays violin on the track 'Downtown'. Chris remixed the track 'K Y Re:Amin' for an Invisible remix compilation. He owns the production company Alien Sound, which filmed the Doomsday show. -Scott Harker Scott Harker was an early member of Dead Voices on Air and contributes a vocal reading to the Download track "Collision". His speech ("My father used to...") is apparently a quotation from a Was (Not Was) song. -Don Harrison (a.k.a. Dutch) Don was a member of, or at least participant in, Hilt for all of the band's releases. He also played in a band called Sons of Freedom (who worked with Greg Reely) and was a member of Al Nelson's early band, Mystery Date. (See Dale Plevin) -Haujobb Band and friends of Subconscious, they opened for Download on the European leg of their 1996 tour and provided a remix of 'Attalal' for the 'Sidewinder' EP. Also see NEWT. -Tim Hill A collaborator of Phil Western, Tim contributed to the platEAU album 'Space Cake'. -David Jackson (a.k.a the bottle man) Dave is responsible for the chainsaw on the SP track of the same name. He also worked on many of their tours and was even involved in a few onstage antics. -Al Jourgensen (a.k.a. Alien/Alain Jourgensen; Buck Satan; Hypo Luxa etc.) Al is the lead man of Ministry and is involved in a variety of side-projects. At some point, Ministry and Skinny Puppy crossed paths and Al and Ogre became friends. Ogre contributed vocals to the infamous PTP track 'Show Me Your Spine', which was never released. Later, Ogre and Dave Ogilvie toured with Ministry on the 'Land of Rape and Honey' tour, notably performing 'Smothered Hope' as part of the set. Al was then brought in to co-produce 'Rabies' and contributes heavily to that album, playing guitar, singing some background vocals, and co- writing some tracks. Al's presence caused somewhat of a clash within SP, as it was felt that he was trying to break up the band so that he could have Ogre for the Revolting Cocks project. After 'Rabies' was completed, both Ogre and Rave contributed to the Ministry album 'The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste' and the following tour (documented on the 'In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up' video and live album). Ogre also sung on the next Revolting Cocks album, 'Beers Steers and Queers', although he is not credited. Ogre and Al's planned collaboration, W.E.L.T., recorded at least one track, the much bootlegged 'Noreen'. At this point Ogre and Al had a falling out and went their separate ways. In 2003, Ogre and Al reunited when Ogre made a guest appearance at the New York and Philadelphia stops on Ministry's tour. -kArin Lead vocalist of the band Collide, for whom cEvin provided a remix. KArin's vocals appear on two tracks on PlatEAU's 'Space Cake'. Their collaboration was originally slated to appear on cEvin's second solo album but ended up on 'Space Cake'. Collide's album 'Some Kind of Strange' features cEvin as drummer on one track. -Kevin Kane (a.k.a Kevin Eleven) Kevin performs on and co-authors the Hilt tracks 'Orange Pony' and 'Green Love'. Kevin was a member of the Nettwerk band The Grapes of Wrath. -Martijn Van Der Kleer (a.k.a. Martijn de Kleer) Martijn was the guitarist for the Legendary Pink Dots for many years and contributed to many of The Tear Garden releases as a result. I've confirmed with Martijn that he also performed the keyboards at the end of the track 'Download' from 'Last Rights'. During the recording of the Tear Garden's 'Last Man to Fly', Martijn had Dwayne set up one of his analogue keyboards to experiment with unaware that his performance was being secretly recorded. Martijn's solo record 'So Close Yet So Far Out' features cEvin Key's drums on a number of tracks, apparently recorded during a session in 1994. -La La La Human Steps La La La Human Steps is a dance troupe based in Montreal who have used puppy related music in the past. There are a few alternate versions of 'Last Rights' tracks circulating as bootlegs which were supposedly created for their usage, one being an alternate version of 'Riverz End' with guitar and another being an instrumental version of 'laHuman8'. Presumably the title 'laHuman8' is derived from a series of recordings done for them and indicates that there were at least 8 tracks. 'Wild Planet' includes a Doubting Thomas track which was also originally given to the group entitled 'Steps'. That track is given a publishing date of 1990. Skinny Puppy contributed music for a ballet by Brian MacDonald called 'Steps' in 1986. Perhaps these tracks are related. Other musicians they have worked with include Einstuerzende Neubauten and Frank Zappa. -Peggy Lee Performs strings on 'To Be An Angel Blind...' and 'III'. May also be Pepperdine who performs strings on 'Cult'. -Loki Loki is an associate of Ogre who became involved with the Process internet project. He appeared in the Doomsday show (as a 'fake Ogre') and currently maintains the ohGr website. He performed keyboards as a member of ohGr's live incarnation and performs on 'Iovnow' and 'Dog' on the second ohGr album, 'SunnyPsyOp'. -Brian MacDonald Choreographer of the 1986 ballet 'Steps' performed by the Royal Winnipeg Ballet which featured music by Skinny Puppy as well as Handel. -Naomi MacLeod Performs the vocals on the Doubting Thomas track 'IDL' and is credited with co-writing the track according to BMI. She is credited with background vocals on Sarah MacLachlan's Nettwerk album 'Touch'. She has a number of other songs to her credit but I am not sure what other work she has been involved with. If anyone has info, please let me know. -Ken Marshall (a.k.a. HiWatt) Ken Marshall has worked as an engineer and mixer for SP for many years. He was at one point considered a 'member' of Download but does not tour. An accomplished producer/engineer on his own, he has worked extensively with Numb, which incestuously enough features Don Gordon of Images In Vogue. Ken Marshall was brought back into the fold for the recording of Ogre and cEvin's 2001 collaboration, 'Frozen Sky' and is currently working on the new Skinny Puppy material. -Betsy Martin Betsy was the vocalist for the band Caterwaul, also featuring Marc Shaffer, whose album 'Portent Hue' was produced by Rave and Greg Reely in the same studios as Hilt's 'Call the Ambulance...', resulting in the pair's appearance on the album. She performs guest vocals on the Hilt track 'Stone Man' and is credited with co-writing the track according to BMI. She also performs on the 'Journey to the Center of the Bowl' outtake 'Empty Day', released on 'The Worst of the Flu' collection. She is currently the vocalist for a band called Purr Machine. -Mattman (?) Credited as participating on Hilt's 'Journey to the Center of the Bowl'. -Jason McNinch Performs guitar on 'And When' and dobro guitar on 'Exfoliate' from 'Bedside Toxicology'. McNinch is an accomplished producer/engineer and played with the now defunct band called Lick. -Ryan Moore Ryan was a session musician for Mushroom studios and first worked with cEvin on Hilt. He was brought in to play on The Tear Garden's second album and eventually became a permanent member of the Legendary Pink Dots. He also performed on Download's EOSP tour. He recently left the Dots to focus on his solo project, Twilight Circus, which has released a number of albums. Ryan Moore was part of the 1996 live incarnation of Download, and opened for the band as Twilight Circus. -Alan Nelson (a.k.a. Chubby Tuna) Al was a member of one of cEvin's early bands, Illegal Youth (originally named No Exit but changed after another band started using the name) and brother of Glen Nelson, the keyboardist of Images In Vogue. Al was also a live crew member for IIV. The demos for his band Mystery Date were produced by Joe Vizvary who at times filled the opening spot for IIV. Al later became the lighting and film man for SP's tours (he did the lighting for the performance on the AIDY video) and worked with cEvin again as the lead vocalist of The Flu, Hilt, and Lee Chubby King. Sadly, Al passed away early in 2000. (see VII:H) -Glen Nelson Brother of Al Nelson, Glen was a keyboard player in Images In Vogue. -Jeff Newell (a.k.a. Critter) Associate of Al Jourgensen and the Ministry camp, Jeff co-mixed 'Fascist Jock Itch' from Rabies, as it was mixed at Jourgensen's long time studio Chicago Trax. -Newt (a.k.a. N.E.W.T.) A project including Haujobb member Daniel Myer, NEWT provided the remix for Download's 'Mothersonne' on 'Microscopic'. See also Haujobb -Chep Nunez Edited both 'Stairs and Flowers (Def Wish mix)' and 'Stares and Flowers (Too Far Gone)' (a.k.a. 'Stairs and Flowers (dub)'. -Tim Olive Tim performs bass on the Download track 'Noh Man's Visit' and worked with the Zev Asher project Nimrod. -Dave Ogilvie (a.k.a. Rave) Dave was Skinny Puppy's unofficial fourth member and producer. He worked as an engineer on Images In Vogue and provided the studio time for Puppy's first sessions. He was SP's live sound man and remained an integral part of the band until the beginning of 'the Process' recordings. American Recordings felt Skinny Puppy needed new blood and offered him only a secondary production position. He declined the offer but returned later to save the album with cEvin after most of the recording was completed. He is currently working at Nothing Studios and is an accomplished remixer and producer aside from SP. Check the Dave Ogilvie production discography at (http://www.evansville.net/~tgodsend/rave.html) -Genesis P'Orridge Genesis was a founding member of the band Throbbing Gristle and the Industrial Records label. After the breakup of Throbbing Gristle he moved on to create the band Psychic TV and the organization Thee Temple of Psychick Youth. He met Ogre and began working with him in Pigface. Genesis was brought in as a 'creative consultant' for 'The Process' album and worked along with Ogre on the Process Internet project, having introduced Ogre to the then defunct Church of the Process of Final Judgement. He contributed vocals to many of Download's releases through mail and most recently appeared on 'Music For Cats'. Unfortunately he never appeared live with Download. Although he was scheduled for the NYC stop on the 1996 tour he did not appear. He did introduce ohGr at their 2001 NYC show. -Pepperdine (?) Performs viola and cello on 'Cult'. Possibly Peggy Lee who performs on 'To be an Angel Blind...' and 'III'. -Dale Plevin (a.k.a. Mr. D. Plevin, Dale Pleven, and possibly the Green Guy) An old friend of cEvin, Mr. D Plevin plays occasional bass, 12 string, or fretless bass on a variety of SP projects. It is rumored that he is the infamous 'green guy'. At the time of Images in Vogue, Dale, along with Don Harrison, was in Al Nelson's band Mystery Date. Their demos were produced by Joe Vizvary and the band opened some IIV shows. Dale Plevin was one of the two people to whom cEvin gave Skinny Puppy membership cards back in 1981. -Marc Ramaer Worked with Puppy in a production and engineering capacity on a number of releases. -Glen Reely Glen was the soundman for ohGr's recent live tour and also worked on the Doomsday 2000 show. Glen is the brother of Greg Reely. They have a website at http://www.reely.com -Greg Reely Greg worked with Puppy in a production and engineering capacity on a number of releases, having known cEvin since working on Images in Vogue in production and engineering areas. Greg is credited with performing piano on 'Rash Reflection'. He also is given co-writing credit on the Hilt track 'Get Out of the Grave, Alan' with BMI. He has recently worked with Front Line Assembly and Fear Factory. Greg is the brother of Glen Reely. They have a website at http://www.reely.com -William Rieflin William was the drummer for Ministry for Ogre's tenure with the band. Ogre and he collaborated on the one-off Petty Tyrants project. He also contributed to ohGr tracks 'Pore' and 'Kettle'. -William van Rooy Los Angeles native, friend and pest. Met up with cEvin in the summer of 1999 and has wormed his way in like a bad case of the crabs. He's contributed music to Download's Effector and put work in on cEvin's second "solo" release for Metropolis. William has his own band, tentatively titled DMT, where he plays guitar, keyboards, and vocals, along with punkster Andres Cuervo and soap opera guru Robert Zimmer. His other musical credits include several soundtracks for performance art legend Ron Athey. -Lee Salford Once a member of Section 25, Lee worked on the Lee Chubby King 12" as well as the Tear Garden's 'Tired Eyes Slowly Burning'. -Ashok Sarkar According to cEvin, Ashok is originally from India, where he met Allen Ginsberg and Tim Leary in the 1960s. He came over to North America and was a player in the Haight-Ashbury San Francisco scene. He is a longtime performer of Indian folk music and spoken word and contributed voice and flute, along with John West, to the track 'Full Circle' on 'Music For Cats'. -Marc Shaffer Marc was the guitarist for the band Caterwaul, also featuring Betsy Martin, whose album 'Portent Hue' was produced by Rave and Greg Reely in the same studios as Hilt's 'Call the Ambulance...', resulting in the pair's appearance on the Hilt album. Marc performs guitar on the Hilt track 'Standing on the Rim' and is also credited with co-writing the track according to BMI. Most likely 'The Schaff' mentioned in the liner notes of 'The Worst of the Flu'. -Chris Sheppard Local Toronto DJ and SP friend, Chris helped mix the 12" version of 'Dig It' and is mentioned on the vinyl etching "Sheppard washes the blood". Chris has released his own techno and dance music under various names. He may also have been a motivator (if not participant) in the Lee Chubby King project. -Adrian Sherwood Well known producer and musician in his own right, Adrian remixed 'Addiction (first dose)', 'Addiction (second dose)', and 'Deep Down Trauma Hounds (remix)', all from the 'Addiction' single. More recently he remixed 'Tin Omen (main mix)' for 'Remix Dys Temper'. -Smiley (?) Credited with recording Hilt's 'Yellow Sunshine (Explosions In My Head)'. This is very possibly a pseudonym for someone otherwise known for working with SP in a production, engineering, or mixing capacity. -Steve Spapperi Assisted Adrian Sherwood in his remixes for the 'Addiction' single. -Pat Sprawl (a.k.a. Pat Sproule) Pat was a guitarist with the band Dead Surf Kiss, who had an album produced by Dave Ogilvie. As the story goes, Ogre saw them perform and immediately asked him to work with SP. He performed much of the guitar on 'The Process'. He has since played with Sister Machine Gun, Pigface, and Drown. -Mark Spybey A one time member of Zoviet France, Mark met and subsequently jammed with cEvin. Some of these jams appeared on Mark's main project, Dead Voices On Air. He was present for part of the work on 'The Process' and became part of the jams that led to Download. He remained a member of Download until the end of the EOSP tour. He performed on the Tear Garden track 'Malice Through The Looking Glass' and appears on the track 'Blotter' from 'Music For Cats', though this recording may predate his split with Download. He has continued with Dead Voices On Air as well as other projects including Propeller and Spasm. Both Mark and cEvin say they'd like to work together again, but geography does not currently permit. Mark recently released a limited edition 3" CD entitled 'I Have No Money but I am Antonin Artaud' which is a 1994 recording featuring cEvin Key. -Justin Strauss Along with Murry Elias, remixed both 'Stairs and Flowers (Def Wish mix)' and 'Stares and Flowers (Too Far Gone)' (a.k.a. 'Stairs and Flowers (dub)'. -Jennifer Superstar (?) Credited with participating on Hilt's 'Journey to the Center of the Bowl' album. -Greg Sykes Greg consistently worked with Steven R. Gilmore on many SP sleeves -Troll (?) Performs guitar on 'Cult'. His/her identity is a mystery, however it has been suggested that Troll is simply another pseudonym for Ogre. -Anthony Valcic (a.k.a. Fu) Anthony was an original a member of Moev, one of two bands other than Puppy to begin the Nettwerk label and a band who earlier had played with Images in Vogue at some of their earliest shows. Anthony also played keyboards in a band called Naked in the Garden with vocals supplied by none other than Dale Martindale of IIV. Anthony worked with SP, as well as many of their side projects in an engineering and editing capacity for many years. He performs keys on Download's 'Glassblower' and manned the soundboard for the EOSP tour. He remained a fixture of Subconscious Studios and was an official member of Download and PlatEAU until the release of 'Space Cake'. -Frank Verschuuren (a.k.a Frankie Pett) Frank worked with the Legendary Pink Dots in a production and engineering capacity for a few years. As a result, he worked on the Tear Garden album 'Crystal Mass'. He has since left the Pink Dots to pursue other projects, including cEvin's solo album 'The Ghost of Each Room' and the ohGr tour. Not surprisingly, he also worked on Dead Voices On Air's 'Frankie Pett presents the Happy Submarines'. -Joe Vizvary An old friend of cEvin's from their time together in Images in Vogue, Joe provides keys on the track 'Beauty in the Eyes' from 'III'. He also performs on the archival SP tracks 'To a Baser Nature', which is based on something he and cEvin recorded that cEvin later transformed into the track we hear on BF2, and 'Meat Flavoured Factor' from BF6. Joe was one of the two people to whom cEvin gave Skinny Puppy membership cards in 1981. Joe now maintains an Images in Vogue website at http://www.geocities.com/joeiiv/startpage.htm -Mark Walk Mark Walk was first introduced to the SP world as an associate of Martin Atkins. He was brought in to help with the recording of 'The Process' when Martin took over reigns as producer. He and Ogre hit it off and after Ogre had completed his vocals for the album, the pair moved to Seattle and worked on the third incarnation of the W.E.L.T. project for American Recordings. This material was completed but never saw the light of day for a variety of legal reasons. Their work has been re-recorded and has been released under the name ohGr on Spitfire Records. However, Mark did not tour as part of the live incarnation of Ogre. The duo of Ogre and Mark recorded the second ohGr album, 'SunnyPsyOp'. In addition to ohGr/W.E.L.T. and 'The Process', Mark has worked on albums by Pigface and Ruby. Mark also remixed 'Dig It' for 'Remix Dys Temper'. -Sandy Weir Vocalist who along with Dwayne formed the band Water. Water opened for SP in Edmonton leading to Dwayne's membership in SP. -Phil Western (a.k.a. DJ Philth; Cap'm Stargazer) A friend of Dwayne, they released the original Subconscious 12" single together. Philth was present during 'The Process' recordings and was therefore brought in for the jams that resulted in Download. He left Download briefly after Dwayne's death, but returned to play on the EOSP tour and continued to be a member thereafter. He was a member of Download and PlatEAU until 2003 when he left the fold. He also performed on 'The Process' and 'Music For Cats'. He has a number of solo and other projects including Off and Gone, Floatpoint, and Cap'm Stargazer. He was also supposedly the guitarist and lead vocalist for the rumored but unreleased project called The Lung Goblins. -Jessika White Photographer for the 'Bedside Toxicology' sleeve. She also appears on the front cover of the album. -Wolfgang European tour manager who appears in a clip on the 'Brap' CD-ROM and is thanked on 'Rabies'. Also managed the Doomsday show. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- IV-Questions By Album/Era- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- IV:BF=Back And Forth (series 1 and 2)= IV:BF:a-What is Back and Forth series 1? Back and Forth series 1 was their first, self produced tape released in early '84. Intended to be a run of 50 copies, cEvin got tired of dubbing them and only ended up making 35. Years later, some copies numbered 36-50 turned up, and it has been suggested that Bill Leeb made them and sold them to some fans for quite a bit of money, but he denies it. cEvin says that as far as he knows there were only 35. In addition, copies 1-15 were individually hand dubbed, while 16-35 were high-speed dubbed, resulting in lower quality. All of these tracks appear in a remastered form on Back and Forth series 2. IV:BF:b-How does B&F1 differ from B&F2? Where can I get it? The differences between the tracks that appear on both releases are minimal at best. Contrary to popular belief, they were not completely redone for the B&F2 CD. However, B&F2 was made from the original, 4-track masters of the songs NOT the mixed down master which was dubbed to make B&F1. For this reason, some of the mixes and edits are slightly (with emphasis on slightly) different. In addition, many of the tracks appear in shorter, edited form on B&F1 and are in a fully restored form on B&F2. Other than the mix and edit, only two tracks differ significantly between the two releases. 'Sleeping Beast' features a few slightly different percussion sounds. This in fact may just be a matter of the mix again. 'Dead of Winter' features its own introduction, as it does not segue out of 'Sore in a Masterpiece'. Other than these slight variations, B&F1 offers nothing new and is truly an item only of interest to incredibly anal fans, and more for its historical value than anything else. Bootleg dubs of it can be easily found, but again, despite what you may have heard, there is very little that cannot be found on B&F2. The CD may feature new mixes, but they usually remain quite true to those of the original cassette. IV:BF:c-What's that thing at the beginning of 'Smothered Hope (demo)' on 'Back and Forth series 2'? This appears to be a live improvisation, performed right before Smothered Hope. When the drums from 'Smothered Hope' begin to come in, the track switches to an early demo for 'Smothered Hope', as the title suggests. IV:Re=Remission= IV:Re:a-Where is that picture of a man looking around a corner inside the Remission / Back and Forth series 2 booklet from? This is taken from a 1950 painting called "The Subway" by George Tooker. IV:Re:b-Why does 'Remission' seem to overlap with 'Bites'? Is 'Remission' an EP or LP? There are a number of tracks on the current CD of 'Remission' which also appear on that of the band's following release, 'Bites'. These tracks were not on the original vinyl release of Remission in 1984. The original release was essentially a six-song EP. Sometime in 1985, cEvin and Ogre worked on a small side project called Hell 'O' Death Day (see VII:HODD). There was interest in seeing this material commercially released. To accommodate this they sprinkled the cassette reissue of 'Remission' with some of this newly recorded material as bonus tracks. The same was done with the cassette edition and some European vinyl editions of 'Bites'. The result was a new version of 'Remission' which included tracks recorded long after it was originally released and which was expanded to full-length LP status, both in length and format. The current CD reproduces this expanded form of 'Remission'. It should also be noted that while many of the Hell 'O' Death Day tracks which became such bonus material are shared by the current CDs of 'Remission' and 'Bites', the two releases each contain different edits and mixes of the tracks. IV:Bi=Bites= IV:Bi:a-Who is that singing on the 'Centre Bullet'? Previous information indicated that the vocals on this track are actually done by cEvin. However, this has recently been brought into question by some information suggesting that it is Ogre singing. Later on, cEvin redid this song under the Tear Garden name with Edward Ka-Spel adding vocals. IV:Bi:b-What is this extra track 17 on the Bites CD? This track is called 'One Day' and was previously unreleased. The title is a reference to the fact that it was written and recorded in one day. IV:Bi:c-What's with all the different versions of 'Bites'? Please see IV:Re:b. While there were many different releases of 'Bites' with different tracks on them, the currently available CD issue includes every track ever released on any version of 'Bites' except 'Cage', which you can get on the 'Chainsaw' EP. IV:Bi:d-Why are some of the same tracks that are on 'Remission' on 'Bites' as well? Please see IV:Re:b. While it is not clear from the tracklist, the duplicated tracks are slightly different versions of the songs. The versions of 'Film' and 'Icebreaker' on 'Remission' are different than the ones on 'Bites'. It should be noted that if you have one of the 'Remission and Bites' or 'Bites and Remission' compilation discs you will be missing out on a lot of material. If you want the complete picture, the way to get 'Remission' and 'Bites' is as two separate CDs. IV:Bi:e-What was the tour like for this album? The Bites tour of North America (a Feburary tour of Europe was planned but never happened) had the lineup of Ogre, cEvin, and Wilhelm Schroder. The set involved medieval-looking platforms that cEvin and Wilhelm stood on and played from. Skulls and televisions on pedestals littered the stage. Ogre occasionally turned to a metallic rhythm setup, which looked much like a swing set, playing and banging on a variety of objects including cymbals, springs, and wind chimes. A life size (and Ogre-esque) stuffed doll hung in effigy from the percussion set. Ogre, manipulating his own vocals live on-stage, performed a variety of frightening acts which included holding up a mirror to himself and the audience, slashing his own throat, and, in the finale, smashing a skull against his head, shattering it to pieces. The stage set and some elements of the performance were developed months before the tour and premiered at the band's February '85 show at the New York Theatre in Vancouver. Footage from this show can be seen in the 'Smothered Hope' and 'Far Too Frail' videos, which give a good idea of what the Bites tour looked like overall (even though they aren't technically taken from the tour). This set can also be seen on the inside of the 'Back and Forth series 2' insert. The set used on the actual Bites tour proper was somewhat adapted to make it easier to transport. This version can be seen in the 'Assimilate' video. Setlist: Film / Assimilate / Solvent / Icebreaker / Blood On The Wall / Glass Houses / The Choke / Social Deception / Last Call / Deadlines / Smothered Hope / Encore: Brap\Improv / Basement / Far Too Frail IV:M=Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse= IV:M:a-Alright...let me guess...the version of 'Love' on 'Mind:TPI' is different than the one on 'Bites'? Yep. Good call:) IV:M:b-OK, why are 'Addiction' and 'Deep Down Trauma Hounds' on here? Weren't those originally released on 'Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate'? And where is 'Stairs and Flowers (Dub)' from? The original vinyl/cassette release on Mind:TPI came out in '86. The last song on the album was 'Burnt With Water'. The CD version was released in '88, which was after 'Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate' (and it's companion 'Addiction' single) were released. As bonus tracks on the CD version of 'Mind:TPI', tracks from the 'Addiction' single were added, even though they were from a later era. These two tracks are actually 'Addiction (second dose)' and 'Deep Down Trauma Hounds (remix)', not the original versions of the songs as the track listing suggests. Further bonus tracks were taken from the 'Chainsaw' EP. These two tracks were 'Chainsaw' and 'Stares and Flowers (Too Far Gone)', the latter retitled 'Stairs and Flowers (Dub)'. IV:M:c-Why is 'Dig It' on the CD of the album the same as the remix on the 'Dig It' single? For some reason, the original album version of 'Dig It' was replaced with the 12" remix for the CD release of 'Mind:TPI'. The version on the 12" Anthology is also the 12" remix. The original album version is now available on CD on the compilation 'AP Presents: Industrial Strength Machine Music: The Framework Of Industrial Rock 1978-1995'. Contrary to what has appeared here before, the 'Industrial Revolution' compilation apparently does not include the original mix. IV:M:d-What is the difference between the 'Chainsaw' EP/single and the 'Stairs and Flowers' EP/single? 'Stairs and Flowers' was a slightly different version of 'Chainsaw' made for the US market. The track 'Cage' was dropped for 'Stairs and Flowers' but the cover art was exactly the same (except the title). 'Stairs and Flowers' was available as a 12" only and is out of print, but the 'Chainsaw' EP is still available on CD. IV:M:e-Is Richard 23 (of Front242) in anyway responsible for the 'Assimilate remix R:23)? Apparently Richard 23 had no direct connection with this track. The similarity between the title of the remix and his name is most likely coincidental (23 being the number of coincidence, after all). IV:M:f-What was the tour like for this album? Setlist (N.A. leg): Film / One Time One Place /Dead Lines / Smothered Hope / Brap\Improv / God's Gift (Maggot) / Antagonism / Assimilate / Dig It / Last Call / Brap\Improv / The Choke / Burnt With Water IV:CFM=Cleanse, Fold, And Manipulate= IV:CFM:a-Who is that singing on 'Addiction'? The low voice in 'Addiction' is, in fact, Ogre. His voice is heavily pitched down resulting in quite a few people thinking it was a guest vocalist. It is rumored that Ogre was taking a stab at Bill Leeb's vocal style with this track. IV:CFM:b-I heard of a song called 'Kill To Cure', what is it and why wasn't it released? This was a song performed on the early '88 tour of Europe (which was known as Head Trauma). A semi-official live version was actually released on a cassette compilation. This version has masqueraded as a demo for some time amongst tape traders. cEvin has said that the song was never recorded in the studio. As to why, it is my guess that by the time they had come back to NA to record the new material that would become 'VIVIsectVI', they had already moved beyond the sound the of 'Kill To Cure', which certainly sounds more like a CFM-era song. IV:CFM:c-What was the tour like for this album? The first leg of the tour is documented in the 'Ain't It Dead Yet?' live video. Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate Setlist: Intro / Anger / The Choke / Addiction / Assimilate / First Aid / Dig It / One Time One Place / Deep Down Trauma Hounds / Chainsaw / Brap (based on Draining Faces) / Smothered Hope The second leg of the tour was a small tour of Europe done in early '88 (before 'VIVIsectVI') called Head Trauma. This tour is often confused with the VIVIsectVI tour since the stage show was quite similar. The performance involved Ogre as a laboratory scientist experimenting on on a very life-like stuffed dog (named CHUD after the horror movies). He performed a mock vivisection of CHUD on-stage in order to show the audience the horrors of vivisection. As the show progressed Ogre began experimenting on himself, having his assistant, who was dressed like an executioner, hand him syringes which he used upon himself. He even took a shard of broken glass and sliced up his own stomach, much like he had CHUD's. In the end, his assistant took control and strapped him into a giant medieval-like chair. Struggling like a restrained animal, Ogre was hung upside down as the chair was flipped, simulating the kind of "sudden head trauma" experiments which were being performed on defenseless animals. A press release as well as a number of video clips from the tour appear on the Brap CD- ROM. Head Trauma Setlist: Intro / God's Gift (Maggot) / Assimilate / One Time One Place / Addiction / Smothered Hope / Kill To Cure / The Choke / Deep Down Trauma Hounds / Glass Houses / Brap (based on Draining Faces) Encore: First Aid / Anger (at least once) IV:V=VIVIsectVI= IV:V:a-Why is the album called 'VIVIsectVI'? What's the VI for? This is a sort of wordplay to show the evil of vivisection. Switch the last VI to the front and you get VIVIVIsect or 666 sect. IV:V:b-What does the 'S.K.U.M.M.' of 'Human Disease' stand for? I don't believe it actually stands for anything specific but rather is a parody of a generic large evil polluting biochemical corporation and the like. IV:V:c-I heard they got arrested in '88, why? A person in the audience during a Cincinnati show on the VIVIsectVI tour mistakenly thought that the stuffed dog CHUD, which Ogre ripped apart on stage in order to show the horrors of vivisection, was a real animal and called the police. After showing up backstage and finding that CHUD was not real, they basically tried to find a reason to be there and after some harsh words were exchanged Ogre, cEvin, and their tour manager spent the night in jail on disorderly conduct charges. Dwayne, who was reportedly actually rolling a joint as the cops came in, managed to escape due to his unique power of invisibility. IV:V:d-I heard about CHUD getting stolen, what happened? After the show in Detroit, some girl managed to grab CHUD as a souvenir of the show and left it in the back of her unlocked car after she got home. The band followed her around the city. Ogre not only recovered CHUD but also entered the girl's house and yelled at her parents. IV:V:e-What was the tour like for this album? The VIVIsectVI North American tour was almost identical in stage concept as the aforementioned Head Trauma tour (see IV:CFM:c) however the setlist was completely new. Setlist: Intro / God's Gift (Maggot) / Dogshit / Addiction / Fritter (Stella's Home) / Human Disease (S.K.U.M.M.) / One Tine One Place / Testure / deep down Trauma Hounds / Assimilate / State Aid / Brap\Improv / Smothered Hope IV:Ra=Rabies= IV:Ra:a-Who is the Cyan credited with lyrics and vocals for Rain? Cyan Meeks was Ogre's girlfriend at the time. She also did merchandising for Ministry's 'Mind...' tour. IV:Ra:b-What exactly is this track 'Spahn Dirge'? Where have I heard those lyrics before? 'Spahn Dirge' is a live in-studio jam including everyone from the band. It involved guests including Al Jourgensen. It appears as a B-side on the 'Tin Omen' single and as a bonus track on the CD version of 'Rabies'. Some of the lyrics are borrowed (and subsequently warped) from Revolting Cocks' 'Attack Ships On Fire' and Led Zeppelin's 'When The Levee Breaks'. IV:Ra:c-I heard 'Rabies' got remastered. How can I tell if I have the original or remastered version? What's the difference? The original master had been put through a Dolby noise reduction that cEvin loathed, so he went back and remastered it for CD in '93. This remastered version was available mainly through Nettwerk in Canada, with the Capitol US release still featuring the original master. The remastered CD was then re- released for the US market by Nettwerk in '98, replacing the Capitol issue. This is most obviously different from the previous, "un-re-mastered" US versions by both the clear disc tray (the original had the solid colored, non-transparent disc tray which has gone out of fashion in recent years) and the sticker on the cover which claims "remastered" and "first time available in the US". The on- disc label art features just the title and band name, not the full track list as on the original. Most conclusively, the '98 re-release of the remastered edition features a small error in the placement of a track marker. There is a thunderclap which originally appeared at the end of 'Choralone'. The '98 re- release erroneously places this sound at the beginning of the next track, 'Amputate'. If your copy has the thunderclap at the beginning of track 10, it is the remaster. However, I am not sure if the original '93 pressings of the remaster had this error, so there still may be remastered copies with the thunderclap in the original place. Further info on this edition would be appreciated. Also currently unclear are European editions. Finally, if you have it on vinyl or cassette you've definitely got the original master. Note: the following information was released by Nettwerk *before* the '98 re-release and thus does not pertain to it, but it's still worth reading. Here's the info straight from Nettwerk: Skinny Puppy Rabies Remastered Quasi-FAQ Here's the long story about Rabies and the "first master" vs. "re-mastered" explanation: - Rabies was first released in 1989 on LP and Cassette. This was at a time when you still had to wait a few weeks for the CD to be done. The LP and the Cassette at the time had a specific type of master that was still in use for vinyl and cassette manufacture (as opposed to CD's.) - When the CD first came out, it featured the same mastering as the original LP and Cassette. This was only for the first two pressings. - When those original copies ran out in Canada (at the time that's the only place it was available) we put out a "remastered" pressing specifically for CD. The CD has always had this master ever since. The remastered version came out in early 1993. If you bought it anytime after that *IN CANADA* you will have this version of the CD. - If you have any doubt in your mind whatsoever, you should be ordering it from our mail order dept. On a technical note: "Re-mastering" or just plain "mastering" is the art of clarifying and raising the overall volume of all of the mixes on an album (no matter what format) to a certain level so that it is the same volume (or a more uniform volume anyway) for the whole disc. In the case of "Rabies", you might also notice on the remastered version that the bass is much "smoother" and "heavier". Very delicate art that one. :) To be completely honest, the "un-remastered" version of "Rabies" is now much harder to find than the remastered version. I know what you're saying after reading that: "I'd like to get a copy of this if it actually is different. How do I go about ordering it direct?" Our mail order dept.'s email address is: mail.orders@nettwerk.com I hope that clears up a lot of stuff for some people. Armand S. Internet Services Nettwerk Productions info@nettwerk.com IV:TDP=Too Dark Park= IV:TDP:a-Hey, my 'Too Dark Park' insert is different from my friend's. What's going on? The original release of the TDP CD included a fold-out, color lyric sheet with the entire cover painting intact in the background. Later on this was switched to a stapled booklet, with the painting in black and white and chopped up among the pages. The change may have been made to make the lyrics easier to read. However, with Nettwerk's '98 re-release of the album, the original insert was apparently restored, along with the addition of a transparent disc tray. IV:TDP:b-Hey, my 'Spasmolytic' is missing a song that my friend's copy has. What's going on? 'Choralone (Live in Houston)' was a bonus track on some CD and cassette copies of the 'Spasmolytic' single/EP. Some list it on the cover and have it, some don't list it and have it, and some don't have it period. It is not available on the vinyl version of the release. It may have only been available on the Nettwerk release and not the Capitol version. If anyone has a Capitol edition of this CD with the bonus track please let me know. IV:TDP:c-What was the tour like? (description pending someone coming forth with a video of a TDP show) Setlist: Intro / Choralone / VX Gas Attack / Tin Omen / God's Gift (maggot) / Convulsion / Testure / Worlock / Harsh Stone White / Brap\improv / Rash Reflection / Dogshit / Shore Lined Poison / Nature's Revenge / Spasmolytic / Reclamation Encore: Brap\Improv / Morpheus Laughing / T.F.W.O. (at some shows only) The introduction began with elements of the then-unreleased Doubting Thomas tracks 'Whitewax' and 'Come in Piece' and gradually built into 'Choralone'. IV:LR=Last Rights= IV:LR:a-Track 10 on Last Rights is missing...wtf? The track that was track 10, entitled 'Left Hand Shake' was scrapped from the album at the last minute due to the Timothy Leary samples throughout the song not having been legally cleared. Even though Leary himself approved of the use of the samples, he found out later that he did not in fact own the rights to them. The owner denied SP usage of the samples. The song was pulled from the album. Interestingly (and frustratingly), some of the same samples appear in the track 'Fistfuck' on Nine Inch Nail's 'Fixed' EP. IV:LR:b-Where can I get this 'Left Hand Shake'? The track can be found, in a variety of forms, as a tape trading item. One version of the song can be found on the original European version of 'Brap', put out by the OffBeat Label. OffBeat went ahead and released it even though they didn't legally have the right to do so. It also appears on the CD bootleg Intolerance (this is not an endorsement). Puppy supposedly planned to release it as a 7" given out at shows but this never happened. A limited edition CD single entitled 'Track10' was made especially for the Doomsday performance, after which SubConscious sold the remainder online. IV:LR:c-What's this story of Ogre having a convulsion during 'Knowhere'? While Ogre and Rave were recording the vocals for 'Knowhere?', during a period of Ogre's heavy drug addiction, Ogre took a shot of coke and had a seizure. It is rumored that they were still recording as he went into the convulsions and that the recording actually appears on the final album. IV:LR:d-On my copy of 'Last Rights' the songs start 39 sec before the corresponding track comes up. What gives? The original pressing of the 'Last Rights' CD had an error which caused the tracks to be shifted 39 seconds after the point the song starts. This resulted in the first 39 seconds of 'Love In Vein' being cut off and 39 seconds of space being added to the end of 'Download'. You can hear the beginning of 'Love In Vein' by rewinding the CD past the 0 second point. This pressing error was quickly replaced and all new copies of 'Last Rights' do not have this problem. Some still claim that the 'error' was actually done on purpose so that you had to listen to the album as a whole, much like 'Ain't It Dead Yet?'. It is doubtful, however, that they would intentionally cut off the first 39 seconds of a song. Perhaps the error occurred as the result of a failed attempt to make a blank track 10. IV:LR:e-My copy of 'Last Rights' has all the right songs on the CD, but the on-disc art only lists three songs, ('Tormentor ext.', 'Bark', and 'Nature's Revenge Dub'). Wtf? This seems to be a common phenomenon with copies of 'Last Rights' ordered from Columbia House. The music is correct, but the on-disc art is that of the 'Tormentor' single. Try contacting either Columbia House, Nettwerk, or Capitol about the problem. If you have any luck, please let me know so that I can include it here. IV:LR:f-What happened to the 'Love In Vein' single? It is unknown how far along in the planning stages this release ever got. It was scrapped, but some or all of the content planned to be released on it can be found on 'Brap (vol. 4)'. The version of 'Love In Vein' on 'Brap' is a (possibly unfinished) remix. IV:LR:g-What was the tour for Last Rights like? The Last Rights tour (of which the European leg was canceled due to Ogre's knee injury) involved a variety of horrific imagery. cEvin appeared to play live percussion throughout the show. The show involved Ogre interacting with a staticy backing film, being tortured by his own guilt, spinning a macabre tree with masks, arms, and other monstrous things hanging from it constantly over his head, occasionally pulling objects off and wearing masks for certain songs. The tree was originally called "The Tree of No Cares" and was conceived as an extension of "The Chair of No Cares" from the TDP show and Spasmolytic video. The tree trunk was made up of hundreds of twisted, moaning faces and was scrawled with words like "Sex", "Greed", "Self Dissect", "Vermin", and "Survive". The masks (AKA Torture Heads) included a gas mask, a monster with its tongue hanging out, and a screaming human head cut in half just below the eyes. Ogre's makeup revealed his face as a twisted melding of flesh and metal. As the show progressed, Ogre continued to turn to a Videodrome-inspired virtual reality/drug machine through which he entered some other "dimension". When Ogre entered the machine, his face appeared on the backing film, giving us a glimpse into the other world in which he was being tortured as well. The machine continued to destroy him, eventually splitting him into two personalities, evident by a "second Ogre" growing out of his back. Late in the show he held up a cross which began to bleed. Finally he dons a "guilt suit" and becomes his own monster. The Guiltman monster suit was complete with stitches, needles, chains, words such as "Forgive Me" carved into the flesh, a gaping orifice in the belly with serpentine tongue hanging out, and IV tubes sticking out of him. The show was capped with an encore featuring a improvisation some refer to as Dirty Tricks (it was not an unreleased song but more likely just a common thread in their improv) and 'Testure'. This time around Ogre added some new lyrics to the intro to 'Testure', partially improvised. At a few shows they also played 'Spasmolytic' during the encore and performed Assimilate at least once. 'Reclamation' and 'Scrapyard' may have also been performed on at least one occasion. Setlist: Intro / Addiction / Love In Vein / The Choke / Harsh Stone White / Improv / Tin Omen / Worlock / Knowhere? / Anger / Improv / VX Gas Attack / Second Tooth / Killing Game / Circustance / Left Hand Shake / Encore: Improv\"Dirty Tricks" / Testure Additional songs sometimes performed include Spasmolytic, Assimilate, and possibly Scrapyard and Reclamation. The introductions often used elements similar to some of the segues on the 'Journey to the Center of the Bowl' album (the outros to 'Way Out There' and 'Sandy Feet' in particular). For detailed information, visit my Last Rights page at http://www.monmouth.com/~sgoldberg/lastrights/lrtour.htm IV:P=The Process= IV:P:a-I heard that there was a single for Candle? Where can I get it? 'Candle' was intended to be a single off this album, but went unreleased, possibly due to American Record's disinterest in releasing further Puppy material. They did, however, release a promo CD-single for this song. It featured two tracks, 'Candle' and 'Candle (Edit)', the latter being the same as the original with the instrumental ending cut off. An unfinished mix of the song 'Morphous', which was intended to be a B-side for this single, was released on the compilation 'We Came To Dance Vol. X', where it is mistitled 'Morphedus'. cEvin later completed a new edit of this track for 'Back and Forth Six'. IV:P:b-I heard that there were some promos of the album that were different, what's the deal? There were a few promos released before the album finally made it into stores. First among these was a six-song cassette featuring early versions of 'Jahya', 'Death', 'Candle' (then called 'Disco Infernal'), 'Hardset Head', 'Curcible' (then called 'Carpenter'), and 'the Process'. These versions were quite different from the final releases featuring different instrumentation, not just earlier mixes. Later on a promo CD of the full album was released. In addition to retaining the alternate song titles above, this listed 'Morter' as 'Luster' and 'Amnesia' as 'HUD'. However, unlike the previous tape, this CD was very close to the final version of the album. It differed only in minute changes in the mix, chiefly the level of the vocals. Finally, a promo CD was released shortly before the album's street date which was musically identical to final release in every way, but listed the track title 'Hardest Head'. This is not a different version of the song and is probably a simple typo. IV:P:c-I heard they were re-releasing the album with bonus tracks or that there were unreleased tracks from these sessions coming out. Is this true? Two previously unreleased tracks from these sessions were slated to appear on the 'Wild Planet' compilation constructed by cEvin. However, Ogre did not feel that these tracks, and particularly his vocals, were finished or were suitable for release 'as-is'. Apparently, cEvin agreed and these tracks were removed from the 'Wild Planet' track-list. At around this same time, the actual 'Process' CD was being reissued, as it had been out of print for a short time. Unfortunately these two issues were confused and, along with an incorrect CDDB listing for the album, the rumor got out that the re-release would feature two extra tracks. This is not the case, and the status of the aforementioned tracks is unknown. IV:P:d-I've heard that there was a Process website of some sort or an old cult called the Process. What does this have to do with Skinny Puppy? The Church of the Process of Final Judgement was a religion/cult/whatever-you- want-to-call-it some time ago. I am by no means an expert on their history or theology, so I will refrain from attempting to summarize their beliefs. It eventually died out. Genesis (of Throbbing Gristle, Psychic TV, and the Temple ov Psychick Youth organization) discovered some of their material and beliefs and picked up on a few things. Going into the recording of the record that would be The Process, Ogre had the idea of stepping up the interactive/multimedia element of Puppy and wanted to have the album be a 'concept' album which was connected to a film, which was connected to an online site, etc. Genesis was brought on board as a 'creative consultant' (and also become involved with Download's records as a result, see VII:DL:j) and introduced Ogre to the ideas of the old Process church. They, along with William Morrison, formulated the idea of starting a mailing list and ftp site online with a sort of 'free information' perspective. They announced the start of a mailing-list (named after the old church) without even telling people what it was, people signed up with really no concept of a purpose. It was sort of an experiment to see what would happen Though they used the name and images of the old church, and perhaps some of the basic concepts, it was by no means a continuation of the old church. It was not intended to be a revival of a religion by any means, and really was only tangentially related to both the church and Skinny Puppy. The mailing list was populated mostly by people who found out about it through Skinny Puppy and members of the defunct TOPY. Loki came on board at some point and gave it a web presence. The website went through many evolutions, and included a lot of text and imagery from both the original church and TOPY material. In the meantime, problems within Skinny Puppy were increasing and Ogre's attention was quickly drawn to things other than The Process list/site. Genesis, too, apparently became disinvolved at a very early point. Unfortunately this did not stop them from being the two 'stars' that brought a lot of people to the mailing list, which had no direct purpose or definition other than a vague counter cultural bent. In fact, the only that was ever defined about the list was that it was not appropriate to discuss Skinny Puppy there. This lead to many flame wars of endless duration. The big question of "the process is...?" was often the topic of heated debate and the list eventually collapsed under this weight. The two remaining 'founders', William and Loki, apparently decided that the experiment had failed and abandoned it. Right around this time a supposed member of the original Church surfaced and took interest in the list/site, which was eventually turned over to him. Some members apparently disagreed with Loki and William's assessment and took to maintaining the list themselves and it may still exist in some form, somewhere but I do not know. This is by no means presented as accurate, it's only what I've assembled though various account and my own vague memory which itself is tainted by opinion. If someone has corrections or clarifications, please let me know. IV:P:e-So what the fuck happened to the band? What occurred during the recording on the Process is a long and convoluted story with numerous differing subjective views of what actually happened. What is clear is that long-brewing internal problems within the band regarding both personal issues and the stylistic direction of the album came to a head. The absence of Skinny Puppy's long-time producer (and 'psychologist' as some members put it) certainly didn't help things. There was also conflict between the new label which they had signed to and at least some members of the band. After a number of setbacks, conflicts, and attempts to press on, the band finally disintegrated on June 12, 1995 when Ogre quit Skinny Puppy. A few months later a much more serious loss occurred when Dwayne died of a drug overdose, apparently having been battling addiction for some time. For a while after this cEvin and Ogre remained at odds regarding the events surrounding the Process. cEvin also claimed that their new label had attempted to coax a commercial, Nine Inch Nails-style sound out of the band in hopes of cashing on a then-current trend. Thankfully, Ogre and cEvin have since put aside their differences and reunited for the Doomsday concert in 2000. Since then, cEvin filled the drum slot in the live incarnation of ohGr and the pair collaborated on a new song for cEvin's 'The Ghost of Each Room' album. IV:Br=Brap= IV:Br:a-What does Brap mean anyway? According to the Brap liner notes Brap is basically the term cEvin and co. use for "getting high and recording". Alternatively it is the name used for their live improvisation and, more generally, the term for their creation of music in general. For this reason Brap is sometimes used to mean the "genre" that all of their music falls under. The track on Remission titled Brap is probably either an example of in-studio improv, or the track that they took the name from. An improvisation (using Draining Faces as the basis) appears on the live album 'Ain't It Dead Yet?' under the name 'Brap'. The term Brap quite possibly originated as an onomatopoeia describing some of the distorted synth sounds they were getting during their early jams. IV:Br:b-What exactly are all of these tracks on Brap? Live? Demos? Wtf? Here it goes: Disk 1 (Back and Forth vol. 3) 1. (multimedia) 2. Jackhammer: demo 3. Splasher: demo 4. Double Cross: demo 5. Yo Yo Scrape: demo (with vocals by cEvin!) 6. Carry: demo 7. Guilty: demo 8. The Soul That Creates: demo (with vocals taken from 'My Voice Sounds Like Shit') 9. Brap: a live improvisation from Logo in Bochum Germany 1986 using the track from 'Remission' as the basis. The full show can be found as a bootleg and on the bootleg CDs 'Kill To Cure' and 'Fractal Zoom'. 10. Sparkless: demo 11. Dead Doll: demo version of the track from Bites 12. Deadlines: demo version of the track from Bites 13. Last Call: live version (very slightly edited) from the 9/26/86 CBC Brave New Waves radio show. The full show is available as a bootleg. It happens to be damn good. Disk 2 (Back and Forth vol. 4) 1. (multimedia) 2. Uranus Canceled: a different version of the track Knowhere? from Last Rights 3. All Eyes: a live improvisation from the Too Dark Park tour. Part of this track can be found, along with other improv, as part of Walking On Ice from the Spasmolytic single. 4. Reclamation: live from Too Dark Park tour 5. Spasmolytic: possibly a live in-studio demo take, with vocals added later. Either way it's definitely a studio version. 6. Grave Wisdom: alternate studio version. Possibly a less finished version of the track. Also appears on the Nettwerk Decadence boxed set as 'Grave Wisdom (alternate version)' 7. Tin Omen: the first part of this track is live from the (crappy) CD bootleg Heaven's Trash. The second part is a pro recorded live version. 8. God's Gift: live from Too Dark Park tour 9. Convulsion: live from Too Dark Park tour 10. Nature's Revenge: alternate studio version 11. Love In Vein: remix from the planned, but unreleased, single 12. T.F.W.O.: live version from Too Dark Park tour 13. Choralone: live version from Too Dark Park tour Much of the live material is apparently taken from a fan-made (!) bootleg of a show at the LA Palladium. IV:Br:c-Why is the track listing on 'Brap' reversed? It was an attempt by Nettwerk to play on the Back and Forth concept. Backwards and Forwards, get it? For the record, the track listing for disk 1 (vol.3) appears on the right side, while the track listing for disk 2 (vol.4) appears on the left. IV:Br:d-What's with all these different versions of Brap? A month or two before Nettwerk released Brap with multimedia content, an early version, without multimedia and with a version of Left Hand Shake, was released on Offbeat in Europe. This is commonly referred to as "Euro- Brap". After Brap was released by Nettwerk domestically, Offbeat re- released Brap, this time supposedly with a hologram cover, without Left Hand Shake and with the multimedia content. This is commonly referred to as "Digi-Brap". IV:Br:e-What's with this hole in the right side of the Brap digipak? Was there supposed to be a booklet in there? Nope. According to Nettwerk that was just a byproduct of the manufacturing process. IV:Br:f-I've heard there are secrets on the Brap CD-ROM, where? One secret can be found on disk 1 (vol. 3) in the TDP monster screen which you start at. Zoom in as close as possible on the stars above the monster- face's head. At the center of one of these stars your icon will change to a hand and you can click on it, taking you to a hidden area. The clickable region is very small so it make some trying to find it. Another "secret" can be found on disk 2 (vol. 4). Under certain conditions you can click on the skull in the window (even though your icon doesn't change to a hand...) and discover a small secret. Or maybe it is not supposed to be secret? IV:Br:g-Wait a minute, these dates on the Brap CD-ROM clips don't sound right... Some of the dates for the live clips on disc 2 (vol. 4) are surely incorrect. In addition, some of the clips use material from different shows edited together. The '84 K-9 performance is rumored to be footage from the very first Puppy show ever. IV:AIDY=Ain't It Dead Yet?= IV:AIDY:a-When was 'Ain't It Dead Yet?' recorded? While the official date is June 1, 1987 (on the Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate tour), the scheduled date of the performance was May 31, 1987. It seems most likely that the show went past the midnight mark, hence the date change. IV:AIDY:b-My copy of 'Ain't It Dead Yet?' is all on one track, why? The CD versions of this album were pressed as one track in order to preserve the live experience of the show as a whole. Apparently, though, a new version has just been released with each song on a different track. IV:AIDY:c-My copy of 'Ain't It Dead Yet?' says it includes 'God's Gift (Maggot)', but it doesn't...wtf? Someone apparently screwed up and confused 'One Time One Place' with 'God's Gift (Maggot)'. All versions of the album and video have One Time One Place as the actual song present. A new version of the album has appeared (see above question) with this error corrected. IV:AIDY:d-I bought the 'Ain't It Dead Yet?' video on DVD. It's missing the whole intro! Wtf? This was a manufacturing defect which resulted in all copies of the DVD being recalled. They have been replaced with corrected versions which feature the words 'Version 2.0' on the top of the DVD, on that sticky thing under the plastic wrap that's always a pain in the ass to remove. The updated version also features the correct tracklist on the package, while the original repeated the VHS edition's error of listing 'God's Gift Maggot'. However, a small amount of fixed, 'Version 2.0' copies were sent out using the old liners, so the error is still on their package. IV:AIDY:e-I bought the 'Ain't It Dead Yet?' video on DVD. It's not missing the intro, but it's all screwed up. Wtf? The quality of the DVD, even the fixed 'Version 2.0' edition, still leaves a lot to be desired. There are problems with the audio and odd things appear to have been done to certain sections of the footage that in fact make it look worse and more difficult to make out. As a result, many fans still consider the DVD version defective and not a true representation of the video. On the other hand, the problems are relatively minor in the grand scheme of the video and most casual viewers would probably not notice. IV:D=Doomsday: Back and Forth vol. 5 live in Dresden= IV:D:a-What songs were performed during the show that aren't on the CD? The band went into the project with the intention of making a single CD of their approximately 90 minute performance. This meant that a few songs would be cut. This also allowed them to pick the best of a performance which would doubtlessly have a few problems due to the very nature of a one-off show. The band decided to cut 'Choralone', 'Nature's Revenge', and 'Smothered Hope'. The rest of the show was mixed and mastered for the CD. At the last minute, an unfortunate mistake caused a legal snafu that resulted in 'Hardset Head' (from Puppy's sole non-Nettwerk album) being removed from the CD. The track is, however, available free for download as an mp3 from Nettwerk's website. You can get it with this link: http://nettweb.com/skinnypuppydoomsday/download/hardset_head.mp3 The track was later officially released on Skinny Puppy's 'Back and Forth Six'. IV:D:b-I heard there was going to be a DVD. When is it coming out? The show was filmed with an eye towards making a DVD of it. After the show, the company that filmed it gave Nettwerk a figure for the budget of producing the DVD. Nettwerk didn't think that figure was profitable so they didn't make the DVD. No further work has been done on the footage and there are no current plans (at least any made public) to produce the DVD. It is not coming out anytime soon, if ever. However, the raw footage exists so a future use for it will always be possible. The focus of the band members also currently appears to be on other projects and not on getting this DVD made. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- V-Miscellaneous Questions ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- V:a-I heard Skinny Puppy were in a movie. Is this true? Yep. Ogre, cEvin, and Dwayne appear in a very brief cameo as a gang of thugs early in the movie The Doom Generation. It is an extremely quick scene and you can barely make out the band, if at all. During the filming of this scene cEvin fell off a car and broke his arm among other injuries. V:b-I heard there's a song called 'Ode To Groovy'. Where is it? 'Ode To Groovy' was a track released on the first volume of an animal rights benefit compilation called In Defense Of Animals. While it is credited to Skinny Puppy, it is actually just Ogre and Rave. A text piece by Ogre was also included with the comp. 'Ode to Groovy' was first performed by Ogre and Rave on 7/25/92 at an animal rights benefit concert called "The Medicine Show" at the L.A. Palladium. V:c-I heard of a bootleg called Intolerance. What's up with it? Intolerance is a CD bootleg which is not, by any means, what it says it is. It is not the last Puppy show as it claims. It is from a 6/18/92 Miami show. The audio is taken from a more complete video bootleg of that show. Intolerance also has a bunch of extra tracks which, while they claim to be unreleased, are stolen from commercially available releases. The only other interesting things present are a studio version of Left Hand Shake (which was made from a dub...) and some strange Charlie-esque rant before live part of the disc starts. It is supposedly a limited edition of 2000, but it is not known if this is true. Some copies included an embossed metal SP logo. I do not recommend buying this bootleg which seems tailored to steal from the band. Instead, track down the full 6/18/92 video and buy the commercial releases. The track listing (as it actually appears): ----------------------------------- 1 Charles Manson rant? Live from 6/18/92 Miami: ------------------------------- 2 Tin Omen 3 Worlock 4 VX Gas Attack 5 Second Tooth 6 Left Hand Shake 7 Brap-Improv / Testure ------------------------------ Studio: 8 Left Hand Shake (studio) 9 Cage*+ 10 Stairs and Flowers (Too Far Gone)*+ 11 Tin Omen (Reload)*% 12 Spahn Dirge (Live)# * claims to be an unreleased version of the song, but it is in fact the version I have listed... + from Chainsaw single/EP % from Tin Omen single/EP # from Rabies CD and Tin Omen single/EP ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- VI-The Videos- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- VI:a- What videos are out there? Here's a list of all known Puppy videos, including official, fan made, etc. in chronological order of the song's release. See below for more in-depth info. Any additions are welcome. Smothered Hope* Smothered Hope (fan made) Far Too Frail* Assimilate (a band made clip with promotional info? more info requested) Deadlines (fan made, on Brap CD-ROM) Deadlines ("trippy computer graphics version" fan made) The Choke (fan made) Dig It* Dig It ("Death"; fan made?) Stairs and Flowers* God's Gift (Maggot) (fan made?) Addiction (fan made) Deep Down Trauma Hounds (just clipped from the AIDY live video)* Testure (version a) Testure (version b)* State Aid (live from Chicago 10/20/88) VX Gas Attack (from the TDP backing film) Worlock (X Rated) Worlock (A Rated) Worlock (R rated) Tin Omen (from TDP backing film?) Spasmolytic* Spasmolytic (w\ title and credits sequence) Rash Reflection (from the TDP backing footage missing from the bootleg) Harsh Stone White ("live in Denver" from Spasmolytic single; fan made) Killing Game* laHuman8 (fan made; AKA "the abortion" video) Candle Curcible Hardset Head * appears on the official '1984-1992 Video Compilation' Official videos were also made for Download's 'Glassblower', The Tear Garden's 'Sheila Liked The Rodeo', Hilt's 'Stoneman', and ohGr's 'Cracker', 'Minus (live)', and 'Majik'. Ogre also appears in the official promo videos for Ministry's 'Burning Inside' and Revolting Cock's 'Stainless Steel Providers' (though he does not perform on the actual songs). He similarly appears in live footage used in Pigface's 'Little Sisters' official promo video. He can also be seen in their live videos 'Glitch' and 'Son of a Glitch'. Ogre can be seen in Ministry's live video 'In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up'. Out-take footage from the 'Spasmolytic' video is also floating around as a bootleg item. VI:b-Why isn't Worlock included on the Video Compilation? Here's the info straight from Nettwerk: WHY ISN'T WORLOCK INCLUDED ON THE SKINNY PUPPY VIDEO COMPILATION? The video for "Worlock" was comprised of numerous (over 80 in fact) clips that were cut out of horror films by various classification boards. It is a non-stop gore-fest that was immediately banned by every video station that had ever seen the video, as well as any border crossing guards anywhere in the world. The video is considered pornographic for this reason. That's the first reason it's not included on the video release. The second reason concerns the sheer mountain of legal paperwork that would be required in order to get approval from every single director of the over 50 movies that the clips were taken from. There is simply no way for anybody to get a clearance to release this video in any form. Even if we were able to get legal approval to use all the clips that are contained in the video, we would be disallowed from ever shipping a copy anywhere in the world due to the content. Complete catch-22. So that is why the video for "Worlock" doesn't appear on the Skinny Puppy video compilation. It's been a 4-year battle in the attempt to get that video released in some form. It just isn't possible to do. But the rest of the videos which do make an appearance are mostly first-timers as far as anybody seeing them and a lot of the fans who are quite familiar with the "Worlock" situation are still pretty happy to see these videos being made available to the fans of the band. (thanks to Dead Shot for transcribing this) VI:c-What films are used in the 'Worlock' video? What's the deal with the different versions of the video? Since it seems that I'm the only one left with a nostalgia for plain-text documents, I've given in and the 'Worlock' video section is now HTMLified. The section has become so bloated that I have made it a separate entity unto itself. This seemed to be the best solution to the problem of keeping both the FAQ and the HTML version up to date. You can find it on the web at http://www.monmouth.com/~sgoldberg/wvideo.htm VI:d-What are the Spasmolytic credits? Skinny Puppy: Ogre, cEvin Key, D. Rudolph Goettel Directed by Jim VanBebber Produced by Gary Blair Smith Co-Produced by Mark R.G. Yoshihara Written by Kevin Ogilvie, Gary Blair Smith, Jim Vanbebber Director of Photography: Danny Nowak Production Designer: Al Benjamin Special Make-Up Effects: Tim Gore Editors: Jim Vanbebber, Kevin Ogilvie, Gary Blair Smith On-line Editor: William J. Morrison First Assistant Director: Gary Harvey Special Effects: Al Benjamin, Ray Reedyk Special Make Up Effects Assistant: Charlie Grant Make-Up and Hair: David Jones Wardrobe: Tracey Pincott Property Master: Ray Reedyk Art Department and Special Effects Assistant: Lionel Huppie "Chair Of No Cares" Concept: Ogre Design and Construction: Ray Reedyk "Stilt-Man" Concept: Ogre Design and Construction: Robert Comer Title Graphics and Art: Jim Cummins Gaffer: Shawn Milstead Key Grip: Sandy Hegyi Focus Puller: Mark Zagar Clapper Loader: Nick Watson Camera Assistant: Mike Chisolm Trainee Camera Assistant: Christina Kasperczyk Castin: Sue Brouse Craft Service: Darci John Best Boy: Nat Chase Studio Manager: Bruce Beaulac Wardrobe Assistant: Greg Crow Gregor's Costume Design: Nick Newcombe Trainee Assitant Director: Vince Coates Wrap Crew: Tom Benny, Ryan Monroe, Donald Riggan, Vince Coates, Kevin O'Leary, Mark Volsin, Mark Westhauer Cast: Gregor: Ogre Minister: D. Rudolph Goettel Postman: cEvin Key Heroin: Shannon Keir Stockdoc 1: Rave Bride: Corrine Iles Groom: Kevin Lesminster Corporate Slug: Derek Peakman Landlord: Dalton Fisher Stockdoc 2: Greg Sykes Stockdoc 3: Louise Jackson Lighting, Grip Equipment, and Studio Supplied by William F. White Camera Equipment Supplied by P.P.L. Camera Corporation Filmstock Supplied by AFGA/ Western Imperial Magnetics Ltd., Kimberly Schneider Costumes and Wardrobes Supplied by S&M Costumes Inc. Catering Provided by Peppermint Pate, Carol Simick Insurance Provided by Sedgewick James, Bob Adams Stock Processing and Cleaning Provided by Gastwon Film Labs Inc., Dave Harden Stock Transfer Provided by Gastown Post and Transfer Monitors Provided by Granada Canada, Ray Stanton Edited Facilities Provided by Lapost!, Larry Huber Special Thanks To The Following: Shane Lunny Productions Blue Wave Productions Brenda Collins Anna Kathy Benjamin Curtis Petersen Sincere Thanks to Chas. Balum and Chopper for Chopping Off Our Heads VI:e-I just watched Far Too Frail...wtf? Apparently, after shooting the footage for 'Smothered Hope', the band decided to do an intentionally bad video for 'Far Too Frail' using the same footage. The result is nothing less than hilarious. VI:f-What fan made videos exist? There are many videos made by fans, including 'Addiction', 'Deadlines' (2 versions), 'laHuman8', 'The Choke', 'Harsh Stone White' (live from Spasmolytic single), (more to come). There are also alternate versions of the Official videos, probably done by fans, including 'Smothered Hope' and 'Dig It'. The 'Deadlines' fan-made video was included along with the official videos on the Brap CD-ROM. (Any info for this section would be greatly appreciated). VI:g-What is this Too Dark Park backing video I hear about? The backing film used by the band for the Too Dark Park tour has been leaked out as a video bootleg. The bootleg includes the entire backing film (with the exception of 'Rash Reflection' and 'Worlock'), along with the band's audio backing tape. Many of the films have been set to the album version of the corresponding song to make a "fan video" for the song. VI:h-So is there a Last Rights backing video bootleg as well? Yep. It's not as common as the TDP video, though. A good chunk of the footage is from the 'Killing Game' video shoot. Also, the audio on this bootleg is just the entire 'Last Rights' album and the first four songs off of 'Too Dark Park', not live or backing tape material. In addition to this backing film (which served as an interactive backdrop for Ogre's onstage performance) a second film was played on a small TV near Dwayne. To my knowledge, no copies of this second video are circulating. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- VII-Other Projects and Bands- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- =Ministry/Revolting Cocks/PTP= -What is Skinny Puppy's relation to Ministry, Revolting Cocks, and PTP? Al Jourgensen of Ministry co-produced and performed on the 'Rabies' album, and Ogre did backing vocals and some writing on the Ministry album 'The Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste'. He also toured with Ministry a number of times and appears in the live video and album 'In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up' (he's the one in the "Fuck Art Let's Kill" T-shirt in some shots, and a puffy hat in others). When Ogre was on tour with them, Ministry often performed the Skinny Puppy track 'Smothered Hope'. One version of this appears as the B-side to Ministry's 'Burning Inside' 12". According to cEvin, Jourgensen wanted Ogre to be a permanent vocalist for his Revolting Cocks project at one point. Due to Ogre and Al's "falling out" Ogre sang only on a few tracks. Ogre did tour with RevCo, however. The first incarnation of Ogre's project W.E.L.T. involved Al and Ogre working together as a duo. This lineup fell apart, but one track from this era, called Noreen, is floating around in bootleg form. This track was later used by Al as the basis for the Ministry song 'The Fall'. Interestingly enough Ogre and Al traded tattoos, Ogre getting a RevCo symbol and Al a W.E.L.T. symbol. Al's project called PTP is also rumored to have recorded a track with Ogre on vocals. It was called 'Show Me Your Spine' and is used in the movie Robocop but was never released (on a soundtrack or otherwise). The only PTP music that was released, the single 'Rubber Glove Seduction', does not feature Ogre. Ogre doesn't remember taking any part in this project at all, but admits that the period was a drug haze so, who knows? VII:CA=Cyberaktif /Front Line Assembly= VII:CA:a-What is Skinny Puppy's relation to Cyberaktif and Front Line Assembly? Bill Leeb of FLA was a member of Skinny Puppy (under the name Wilhelm Schroder), playing bass synth predominantly, during the Bites/Mind:TPI eras and called it quits right before they went on tour for Mind:TPI. Dwayne then replaced him. Bill, cEvin and Dwayne joined forces a few years later and put out some records under the name Cyberaktif, including an album (Tenebrae Vision) and two singles (Nothing Stays and Temper), all released on WaxTrax! Blixa Bargeld of Einstuerzende Neubauten also participated in Cyberaktif. According to both Leeb and cEvin, this project will never record another release. VII:CC=A Chud Convention= VII:CC:a-What is A Chud Convention? A Chud Convention was a one-off project that involved SP (without Dwayne) and a;GRUMH. It basically involved the two bands screwing around in a makeshift studio while "coming down off a weird high". A 12" of these sessions was released, called Sorrow, containing two tracks, 'Patient Sorrow' and 'Silent Sorrow'. Puppy likely didn't even consider the possibility of releasing it and it was released without their participation or knowledge. VII:CK=cEvin Key solo= VII:CK:a-I heard cEvin is releasing solo material. Is this true? Yep. cEvin released an album called 'Music For Cats' on Metropolis, which featured a variety of guests familiar to the Subcon universe. cEvin also released a solo track called 'No More Ghosts' from '92 on a compilation called Resonance. cEvin's second solo album was released in August 2001 and features Ogre on one track in addition to a variety of other guests. cEvin's third solo album, consisting of archival material recordings during the time of Skinny Puppy's 'Bites', was assembled by Ken Marshall and released in 2003. (see VII:SUB:e) VII:CK:b- Did cEvin do some soundtrack work for the movie End of Days? Yes! After a long time of wanting to do some film score work, cEvin got his foot in the door on the big budget action-horror movie, End of Days. While the majority of the score was done by Jon Debney, cEvin contributed to a number of scenes. These tracks appear, along with some material he did which was not used in the film, on the End of Days score CD on the Varese Sarabande label. This CD can be ordered directly from their web site at http://www.varesesarabande.com/details.asp?pid=302%2D066%2D099%2D2 While the score is accredited to Debney, the liner notes clarify which tracks were done by cEvin. Please note that this is NOT the movie soundtrack (a.k.a. song-track) featuring songs by rock bands, but rather the actual film score. So, no, you don't have to buy something with Guns N Roses on it just to complete your Puppy collection. One interesting note is, that while not included in the score, part of the Puppy track 'Draining Faces' made its way into one of the movie's trailers. VII:D=aDuck= VII:D:a-What is aDuck? aDuck was Dwayne's solo project. aDuck released a now out of print 12" called 'Power' (with a B-side by Philth) which is reprinted on 'Paradigm Shift' (see above). Another aDuck track, 'Burnout', appears on this compilation as well. An aDuck track called 'Phenethylamine Backwash' was also included on a compilation produced by FLA's Bill Leeb and Michael Balch. A different mix of this track appears as 'Quackers (revision)' on 'Wild Planet'. VII:DL=Download= VII:DL:a-What is Download? What are they doing now? Download is a project which grew out of cEvin and Dwayne's jam sessions during the recording of The Process. These jam sessions involved friends like DJ Philth and Mark Spybey. Download, named after the track on 'Last Rights', is now cEvin's full-time project. 4 albums, two EPs, a Soundtrack, and a limited edition vault collection have been released. Download toured the world in '96 following the release of 'The Eyes of Stanley Pain'. The band lineup continues to morph, and has included participation from Ken Marshall and Anthony Valcic (both long time Puppy friends and engineers), Genesis P-Orridge (of Throbbing Gristle and Psychic TV), and Ryan Moore (as a guest on the live tour). Mark Spybey left the band in April of 1997. Download planned to tour following the last two albums but it never materialized. VII:DL:b-What is this Charlie's Family soundtrack I've heard about? Charlie's Family is film directed by Puppy friend Jim VanBebber (who directed the 'Spasmolytic' video). Download released a soundtrack in a limited edition of 2000 to help finance the film's release. The soundtrack was only available on the bands '96 tour and through Nettwerk mail order. This soundtrack has been re-released by Metropolis, with the music remaining identical but the packaging changing to a digipak with a slightly altered cover. VII:DL:c-What is Chunkblower and where can I get the soundtrack? Chunkblower was a film by Jim Vanbebber that was never made. Only a trailer (which can be seen, in part, on the Brap CD-ROM) was produced. The project was scrapped when the horror movie market fell apart. cEvin and Dwayne were to have recorded the soundtrack, but since the film was never made, the soundtrack was never released and likely never produced. One cool aspect of the trailer is that it features Dwayne and Bill Leeb as the burning victims. Dwayne is even referred to as Squelch, also the name of a Hilt song and music publisher. Note that the trailer has been edited down slightly on 'Brap', which results in the two pairs of victims appearing to be the same two people. This is the source of some confusion as the blonde victim in one pair is female, while that in the other pair is Dwayne. The trailer can be seen on the DVD of Jim VanBebber's Deadbeat at Dawn. VII:DL:d-I heard Download released a track on a CD with some magazine, is this true? Yes, they released a track called 'I Still Ate Her' on a CD which came with issue 47 of the European magazine Future Music, which contained an interview with cEvin. This track has since been re-released (credited to Download) on the SubCon compilation 'Wild Planet'. VII:DL:e- I heard that there was going to be a Coil vs. Download remix EP? This was an idea that was talked about around 1996. It seems that whoever spread this information jumped the gun a bit. Both bands claimed that while they have been approached to do it, it would not happen anytime soon, if at all. At this point in time it seems unlikely that it ever will. VII:DL:f-Why is 'Outafter' dedicated to Brandon Lee? When the Crow film was being made, Skinny Puppy were asked to contribute the main theme to the soundtrack. cEvin and Dwayne composed a track, and Brandon supposedly loved it. Ogre, however, thought the track was too "technoy" to be Skinny Puppy. The track was left unreleased until it finally appeared as 'Outafter' on the Download album 'The Eyes Of Stanley Pain'. It is interesting that both Dwayne and Brandon Lee died leaving work unfinished which was completed and came "out after" their deaths. VII:DL:g-What is that voice saying in 'The Eyes Of Stanley Pain'? This voice apparently popped up during a Download session and after warping it they decided it was saying "Eyes Of Stanley Pain" and named the album after it. It is an open playing field, however, and there are other phrases spoken by the voice, so take the proverbial ball and run with it. At least some of this voice comes from a TV advertisement for Sprint Canada. VII:DL:h-I heard that there was a bonus track on the promo of the 'Sidewinder' EP, is this true? Sort of. The promo version of 'Sidewinder' features a track called 'Sidewinder Snake' which was not on the commercially available version of the EP. The track is a different mix of the title track and uses un-cleared samples from a track by Peter Gabriel. It therefore was unable to be released commercially. A third version, which includes the samples but not the vocals, was released as 'Left the Radio On' on the Vault release 'Inception'. VII:DL:i-This 'Papa Papa Mula CWM' track sounds familiar...so does the name... The 'Papa Papa Mula CWM' track on Microscopic is one of a few similarly named tracks on various Mark Spybey projects. The "Papa Papa" name refers to tracks in which he uses a particular rhythm pattern. 'Papa Papa Bata Kolm' appears on Dead Voices On Air's 'Hafted Maul' and 'Papa Papa Repe Wax' appears on DVOA's 'Shap'. VII:DL:j-Why is 'Fire This Ground' called 'Puppy Gristle part 1'? One day during the Process sessions Genesis P'Orridge brought over his "gristlizer", a little FX box Chris Carter had made for all the Throbbing Gristle members back in the day. Apparently it has multiple inputs and totally warps them all. They re-christened it the "gristlebox" and a bunch of them jammed and pumped it through it and were enthused with the results. 'Fire This Ground' is part of this big jam, hence the subtitle 'Puppy Gristle part 1'. This jam is said to have been the inspiration for the further explorations that became Download. A chunk of 'Fire This Ground' appears on Issues Two and Three of Genesis's project Psychic TV's Electric Newspaper series. Other portions of the session found their way onto the 'Charlie's Family' soundtrack album. The jam was released in its entirety as 'Puppy Gristle', part of the From the Vault series, this time including some vocals by Ogre and credited to Skinny Puppy. For my analysis of 'Puppy Gristle', see http://www.monmouth.com/~sgoldberg/gristle-anal.htm VII:DL:k-Hey, I heard another song with the same lyrics as a Download song. What's the deal? Genesis P'Orridge reused some of the lyrics from his track 'A Debris of a Murder' in his lyrics for Download's 'H Sien Influence', 'Separate', and cEvin Key's 'Inside Jam World'. VII:DT=Doubting Thomas= VII:DT:a-What is Doubting Thomas? Doubting Thomas is a side project of cEvin and Dwayne. The music was best described as "soundtracks for movies that never existed". There was an album, 'The Infidel', and companion single, 'Father Don't Cry', released on WaxTrax!. Two other Doubting Thomas tracks appear on the compilation Paradigm Shift. Also of note is that there is some other band called Doubting Thomas with absolutely no relation to this project. VII:DT:b- What happened to the 'Father Don't Cry' single? Where can I get it? With WaxTrax!'s absorption by TVT, the single became out of print. It was re-released by Metropolis including the two new tracks 'THC' and 'Majickal Horse' as well as the track 'Come In Piece' which was a bonus track on the CD version of 'The Infidel' only. The re-release also features completely new artwork. VII:H=Hilt/The Flu/Lee Chubby King= VII:H:a-What is Hilt? Hilt is a punkish popish oddish band involving cEvin, Dwayne, Al Nelson, Lee Salford, Don Harrison, Rave, Ryan Moore, and others. cEvin and Al Nelson were in a band together years ago called Illegal Youth (the name was originally No Exit, but when another band popped up with that name, they changed it). Al, brother of a one of cEvin's fellow IIV members, later became Puppy's live lighting man. It is rumored that Hilt was born out of a dare by Nettwerk to record an album for on an insanely low budget. Hilt released two albums, two singles, and an EP. A video was made for the track 'Stoneman'. Al Nelson passed away in February of 2000, his last collaboration with cEvin being a few songs recorded in '96. A new Hilt release called 'The Worst Of Hilt' was announced a few times and then put on hiatus. More of this unique band, including material from their early incarnation, The Flu, was finally released as part of the Subconscious 'From the Vault' series as 'The Worst of the Flu'. VII:H:b-What is The Flu? The Flu was an early attempt at a collaboration between cEvin and Al Nelson which later grew into the Hilt project. They worked on the Flu (perhaps with others) as early as '85. The Flu recorded (and reportedly released) a cassette album in Sweden. Copies of this album are floating around as a bootleg. Some other cassette material later popped up claiming to be a totally unreleased Flu album called 'Patsy : A Collection of Absolute Insanity'. Some tracks from these collections ended up on the archival Hilt release 'The Worst of the Flu' (and one on 'Encore'). However, the song titles do not seem to match up between the original cassette and CD releases (more info on the Flu cassettes is hopefully to come). VII:H:c- What is Lee Chubby King? Lee Chubby King was a rap parody with cEvin, Al, Lee Salford, and Dwayne. The name was a play on the band members names. "Lee" Salford, Al "Chubby" Nelson, and cEvin a.k.a. "Kenny King". Al and Lee were the lead mcs. Lee Chubby King only released a 12" single of the track 'Yo Pusface' and the instrumental version 'Yo Pusdub'. VII:HODD=Hell O' Death Day= VII:HODD:a-What is Hell O' Death Day? Hell O' Death Day was another one off project that Ogre and cEvin created in order to open for Chris and Cosey during the early days of Skinny Puppy. Hell O' Death Day only performed one show. Some of the material created for this project was released on the 'Remission' and 'Bites' albums, including tracks like 'Film', 'Love', 'Falling', 'Social Deception', and 'Centre Bullet'. 'Ambient Fruit', released in two parts on Skinny Puppy's 'Back and Forth Six' and cEvin Key's 'The Dragon Experience', was originally recorded for the project but not performed at the show. cEvin says that there is a bunch of material from these sessions which remains unreleased. Because this style was popular in Europe at the time, many of these tracks were used on the European versions of 'Bites', resulting in many different versions of the album with many different tracks. All the tracks from all the different versions of 'Bites', with the one exception of 'Cage', are compiled on the '93 CD release of 'Bites'. VII:I=Involution= VII:I:a-Who or what is Involution? Involution is a collaboration between Paris of Christian Death, Bree, and cEvin Key. The full extent of Key's involvement is currently an issue of debate. The album was the last to be recorded at SubConscious's Vancouver studio. VII:LG=The Lung Goblins= VII:LG:a-What is The Lung Goblins? The Lung Goblins is an as-of-yet unreleased project featuring cEvin, Dwayne, and Philth. It was a jazzy style project which actually had Philth on guitar and vocals. Apparently it also featured another member named Justin. It may or may not ever see the light of day... VII:MM=Mutual Mortuary= VII:MM:a-What is Mutual Mortuary? Mutual Mortuary was a collaboration between Ogre and Bill Leeb, back when he was still a member of Puppy. Its not known exactly who did what, Leeb claiming he did it all except the vocals, provided by Ogre, and Ogre claiming that he did just about everything for Leeb. The project was unfinished, with only two tracks having vocals, when Leeb sent it off to a European record label. The project was rejected, but the label used the two songs with vocals on their compilation series 'Insane Music For Insane People'. Ogre was very angry at Leeb for this and seemed to believe that Leeb had kept money resulting from the project. In response Ogre plastered posters all over Vancouver with the slogan W.E.L.T. : Wilhelm Eats Lunch Today. While it may be a typographical error, the project was listed as Muteual Mortuary on the original cassettes. VII:MS=Mark Spybey/Dead Voices On Air= VII:MS:a-What is Skinny Puppy's relation to Mark Spybey and Dead Voices On Air? Mark Spybey's solo project, Dead Voices On Air, featured cEvin as a guest from time to time. Mark Spybey was also a member of Download, but left the band in '97. In '95 cEvin participated in some of DVOA's live shows during which they played some Download material. Download also played some DVOA material on their '96 tour. Most recently, Mark and cEvin performed together with Ryan Moore's Twilight Circus. DVOA covered 'Love In Vein' for the 'Hymns of the Warlock' tribute album and appears on both of the Subconscious compilation albums. VII:O =ohGr/W.E.L.T.= VII:O:a-What is W.E.L.T.? What is ohGr? W.E.L.T was a name Ogre has used for a variety of projects. The name originated as Ogre's reaction to Mutual Mortuary (see above). Ogre had the idea to use it as the name for a project as early as 1987. Ogre and Al Jourgensen adopted it as their project together, this time referring to it as When Everyone Learns the Truth. When Ogre and Al had a falling out, this project disintegrated. One track from these sessions called 'Noreen' appeared as a bootleg. Al later revamped this track and used it as Ministry's 'The Fall'. Ogre later revived W.E.L.T. as a project with Paul Raven and John Bechdel from Killing Joke, Chris Sheppard, and Kat Bjelland of Babes in Toyland. This lineup also fell apart and Ogre never recorded anything for it. Paul Raven apparently wanted Ogre to do some vocals on already finished music, which Ogre decided against. Most recently, W.E.L.T. became Ogre's post-Skinny Puppy project with Mark Walk. An album was completed for American Records but never appeared. It has since been re-recorded under the name ohGr and was finally released in March of 2001. ohGr's 'Welt' album integrated re-recordings of songs from the 1995 album with completely new tracks. ohGr then toured as a full band featuring cEvin Key on drums. The band performed the 'Welt' album almost in entirety as well as a number of songs from the then-in-progress second album and 'Frozen Sky', Ogre's contribution to cEvin's then-upcoming solo album, 'The Ghost of Each Room'. A second ohGr album, 'SunnyPsyOp', was released in 2003. Bill Morrison directed videos for 'Cracker' and 'Majik' as well as a live version of 'Minus'. (see II:F) VII:O:b-I heard Ogre did the soundtrack to the Descent 2 computer game, is this true? Yes, at least partially. There is quite a bit of conflicting info on this soundtrack. The fact is that Ogre and Mark Walk only did 2 tracks, tracks 4 and 7 respectively called 'Glut' and 'Ratzez'. Btw, since track 1 is the game data, Ogre and Walk's two tracks, while they may be tracks 4 and 7 on the CD, are songs 3 and 6 (take note, people with dubs...). The rest of the tracks were done by other artists. It should also be noted that this soundtrack only appears on the CD-ROM version of Descent 2. The floppy disk and downloadable demo versions feature a MIDI sequence soundtrack not involving Ogre. Just to confuse things, new versions of the game were later released called the 'Vertigo Series' and 'The Infinite Abyss' (to further confuse things, the latter seems to include the former), each of which featured a different, new soundtrack with one of Ogre's tracks appearing in a new mix/edit. This edition also placed the tracks in different orders. A collected version of the Descent CD-ROMs has been released as a 3 disc set called the 'Definitive Collection'. This set features the 'Infinite Abyss' soundtrack on disc 2 and the 'Vertigo Series' soundtrack on disc 3. Therefore it includes both of the new Ogre tracks but not the original versions (despite the fact that this FAQ once reported to the contrary). The soundtrack to the Playstation version is supposedly different, including a third Ogre/Walk track entitled 'Rusty', which can only be accessed from within the game. Any definitive info on this other release would be greatly appreciated. For further detail on figuring out which tracks are which on your copy please see this link: http://www.descent2.com/goodies/music/d2_tracklist.shtml VII:O:c-I saw some band named Welt's album. Is this Ogre's project? No. This is a completely unrelated band. Because of this, the W.E.L.T. project with Mark Walk has now been renamed ohGr. VII:P=PlatEAU= VII:P:a-What is PlatEAU? PlatEAU is a project initially featuring Phil Western, cEvin Key, and Anthony Valcic. The concept for this band was apparently born out of the '96 Download tour, which included stopovers in the hash bars of lovely Amsterdam. During the North American leg of the tour, at a planned Orlando show, cEvin was busted for Marijuana possession. This incident lead to the concept of a band for the legalization of pot. Some of the early PlatEAU material was actually debuted live by Download at the '96/'97 New Years Eve show. PlatEAU's debut recordng, 'Grasshopper', appeared on the Subconscious Compilation 'Paradigm Shift'. An album called 'Music For Grassbars' was released along with a double A-side single for the songs 'Dutch Flowers' and 'White Widow'. A second album entitled 'Space Cake' was released a few years later. Valcic had left the fold, however Phil's collaborator Tim Hill made contributions. This record also utilized some of the collaborations with Karin of Collide that had been first discussed for cEvin's second solo album. PlatEAU's third full-length release, 'Iceolator', was released in 2002 as part of the From the Vault series and included both unreleased tracks and newly recorded material from the duo of cEvin and Phil. Phil left both Download and PlatEAU shortly thereafter. cEvin's future plans for the project, if any, are unknown. VII:PF=Pigface= VII:PF:a-What is Skinny Puppy's relationship with Pigface? Pigface is a sort of super-group lead by Martin Atkins with a rotating lineup involving enough people to make Kevin Bacon jealous. The band was formed from the remnants of the live Ministry band of 1990. Ogre had been a consistent contributor to Pigface, performing on albums and touring with the band, until he and Martin collaborated on the Rx project. It was Martin's relationship with Ogre that lead to his tenure as the second producer of 'The Process'. Although cEvin and Dwayne have been mentioned as onetime contributors to Pigface this does not appear to be true. During Ogre's time in the band, Pigface performed Skinny Puppy's 'T.F.W.O.' live, a recording of which appears on 'Welcome to Mexico...Asshole'. VII:RD=Raw Dog/Aftermath= VII:RD:a-What is Raw Dog? Raw Dog was a project consisting of Ogre, Rave, and Rosie Ogilvie. So far only one track has ever been released. Appearing on the Rivet Head Culture compilation, it is entitled, aptly enough, 'Raw Dog'. Raw Dog likely grew out of work the trio did as 'Aftermath' for an animal rights benefit in the Fall of '87. Two additional titles, 'Stuffed Trigger' and 'False Gods', are registered to the trio with BMI, though the former appears to be an alternate title for 'Raw Dog'. Raw Dog has no direct connection to the Ogre/Rave collaboration 'Ode to Groovy', which was first performed live in '92 by the duo. Rose seems to have had nothing to do with it. VII:RX=Rx/Ritalin= VII:RX:a-What is Rx/Ritalin? Rx, originally titled Ritalin but changed for legal reasons, was a collaborative project of Ogre and Martin Atkins which has released an album, 'Bedside Toxicology'. The album was recorded after Ogre and Mark Walk had completed the '95 version of the W.E.L.T. album that went unreleased. Rx never toured, though Martin played a few of the tracks live with Pigface sans Ogre. There are no current plans to continue the project. VII:SUB=Subconscious Communications= VII:SUB:a-What is Subconscious Communications? Subconscious Communications began as a record label initiated by Dwayne in order to release his aDuck 12" (though it was then named Subconscious Records.) After the breakup of Skinny Puppy, cEvin and Dwayne revived it as a label to encompass all of their new releases. Subconscious Communications is not a subdivision or imprint of Nettwerk, Cleopatra, or any other label. It is a label which uses those and other record labels for distribution. Subconscious exists as a studio and remix/film score team as well. Check out the web site at http://www.subconsciousstudios.com/ VII:SUB:b-What is Paradigm Shift? What is Wild Planet? 'Paradigm Shift' is a compilation of Subconscious Communications' projects along with some other related tracks. Dwayne had intended to use the title 'Paradigm Shift' for one of his solo works in the future. It includes the tracks 'Power' and 'Touched' from the original and out of print Subconscious 12" released by Dwayne's solo project, aDuck, and Philth. While Philth's track was called 'My Heart Has Been Touched By Christ' on the original 12", the music was not changed for this compilation, on which it is just called 'Touched'. All of the other material on this album is previously unreleased, including tracks by Download, Doubting Thomas, The Tear Garden, Dead Voices On Air, PlatEAU, Skinny Puppy, Kone, and aDuck. A second compilation called 'Wild Planet' was released in 2000. This album was to include two unreleased Skinny Puppy recordings from the sessions for 'The Process'. However, Ogre objected to the release of these tracks and the tracklist was reorganized. The songs in question would later see release in different form on 'Back and Forth Six'. VII:SUB:c-What is the From the Vault series? The From the Vault series was a series of 7 CDs of previously unreleased archival material from many of cEvin's various projects. cEvin assembled and released these albums (with the exception of the Tear Garden volume, which was assembled by Edward Ka-Spel) over the course of late 2001 to early 2003. Each disc was originally released in a limited hand-numbered edition sold largely online through the Subconscious website. Most of the albums were then reissued in digipak packaging for wider distribution. The series consisted of Download's 'Inception', recordings from the early days of the project, Skinny Puppy's 'Puppy Gristle', the oft-mentioned 45 minute jam with Genesis P'Orridge finally available in complete form, Download's 'III Steps Forward', unreleased recordings from the 'III'-era and onward along with brand new recordings, PlatEAU's 'Iceolator', unreleased and newly made recordings from the project, The Tear Garden's 'Eye Spy With My Little Eye', previously unreleased recordings from across the projects history assembled, Skinny Puppy's 'Back and Forth Six', a collection of previously unreleased recordings, and Hilt's 'The Worst of the Flu', a collection of previously unreleased recordings from the project's history, including some material taken from the Flu cassette albums. VII:SUB:d-What is 'Encore'? 'Encore' was sent as a bonus to those who ordered the entire From the Vault series. It is a 4-track CD featuring unreleased tracks that did not make the cut for the Vault albums. Featured are an instrumental Skinny Puppy jam, two tracks by Download, and track by the Flu (Hilt). VII:SUB:e-How does 'The Dragon Experience' relate to the From the Vault series? cEvin's 2003 solo release, 'The Dragon Experience', actually consists of previously unreleased recordings from '84 and '85. These are instrumental tracks created during the time of Skinny Puppy's 'Bites'. It seems that while assembling what would become 'Back and Forth Six', cEvin realized that he had enough of this material to create a full solo album. Ken Marshall took the tapes and created the album. While not an official part of the original Vault series, the album conceptually fits in with the archival projects, so it has been given the status of part 8 in the series in the liner notes. VII:TTG=The Tear Garden/The Legendary Pink Dots/Twilight Circus= VII:TTG:a-What is Skinny Puppy's relation to The Tear Garden and The Legendary Pink Dots? What are The Tear Garden doing now? The Tear Garden is a project of Skinny Puppy and The Legendary Pink Dots. It is rumored that it began when cEvin, a huge fan of the Dots, sent them a photo collage of all the LPD releases he was able to find. They began corresponding, even before SP was born, and eventually, Edward Ka-Spel (singer of LPD) toured Canada with cEvin as his sound engineer. This resulted in the first Tear Garden sessions. These sessions (which involved just cEvin and Edward, produced by Rave) gave birth to their self-titled debut EP/cassette. One of the songs was a new version of the Skinny Puppy track 'Centre Bullet', this time with Edward on vocals. The band reconvened in '87 when Edward was the opening act for Skinny Puppy's tour, this time with Dwayne, Rave, Lee Salford, and even Ogre joining in as guests, and recorded the album 'Tired Eyes Slowly Burning'. After a long hiatus the Tear Garden reformed, with the lineup of cEvin, Dwayne, Rave, Ryan Moore, and the entire Pink Dots band, and recorded the album 'Last Man To Fly' and the EP 'Sheila Liked the Rodeo'. Ryan, who had been working with cEvin in Hilt, got along so well with the Pink Dots crew joined their band. Much of the 'Sheila Liked The Rodeo' EP was improvised in the studio when the band members were not even aware that they were being recorded. A video for the 'Sheila Liked The Rodeo' track was made, directed by Bill Morrison, who also directed 'Killing Game' for Puppy. The band once again got together in late '95 and recorded 'To Be An Angel Blind, The Crippled Soul Divide' after Dwayne's unfortunate death. It featured cEvin, Anthony Valcic, all the Pink Dots including new member Niels Van Hornblower, and a variety of guests. Mark Spybey appears on the track 'Malice Through The Looking Glass'. Two other tracks from these sessions appear on the 'Paradigm Shift' compilation and a third appears on 'Wild Planet'. The Tear Garden then completed another album, 'Crystal Mass', released in 2000. 'Eye Spy With My Little Eye', a collection of unreleased tracks and new recordings from the history of the project, was produced by Edward and released as part of the From the Vault series in 2002. In addition to The Tear Garden, cEvin appears on the LPD releases '9 Lives To Wonder' (which features a thank you to "undernourished small dogs") and 'Chemical Playschool' vol. 8/9 and 10. Edward Ka-Spel and other Dots appear on cEvin's solo album, 'The Ghost of Each Room'. VII:TTG:b- Has the Tear Garden ever performed live? Sort of. Edward Ka-Spel was Puppy's opening act for the late '87 and early '88 tours. On two occasions on the European tour, Edward performed the Tear Garden song 'Centre Bullet' with cEvin Key joining him on keyboards and guitar as an encore of sorts to his solo set. cEvin worked with the Legendary Pink Dots on their tour of Mexico in the mid 90s, but they did not perform any Tear Garden material together. The Tear Garden have tentatively planned to tour a few times since then, but so far it has never panned out. Meanwhile, the Legendary Pink Dots have been performing the Tear Garden song 'Isis Veiled' and '15th Shade' from cEvin's 'Ghost of Each Room' during recent live performances. VII:TTG:c- What's the connection to Twilight Circus and Ryan Moore? In addition to his participation in The Tear Garden and Hilt, Ryan Moore also accompanied Download on their '96 tour as a guest member. He played live drums as well as some bass and synths. Ryan's solo project, Twilight Circus, opened for Download on this tour, with Mark Spybey sometimes joining in on Ryan's set. Both cEvin and Mark Spybey have taken part in some of Ryan's Twilight Circus shows. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Looped a flaw rotates forever...unresolved" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Written and maintained by Corey M. Goldberg