ABOUT FREE WILL

 

We pray for God’s will to be done.  Even Jesus prayed for God’s will to be done in His own life during the time He was with us on this earth.  And then we turn around and say that our own mere human will can override God’s will by our so called “free choice” or “free will” or “free moral agency.”  Those thoughts and ideas are based on the traditional ethics of sinful arrogant man and of the Adversary, the evil one, evil “from the beginning.”  (1 Jo3:8  Yet he who is doing sin is of the Adversary, for from the beginning is the Adversary sinning.)

 

And again, we pray for God’s will to be done and then we turn on God and hate Him for the “bad” things happening in our life and that He did not answer our prayers to our satisfaction.  (O man, who do you think you are? Rom 9:20)  Oh yes He did!  Unpleasant, disagreeable, and offensive events or conditions are just as much a part of God’s will in our lives as the fun, pleasant, and gratifying ones.

 

Isa 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].  (about EVIL  << click here)

 

Lam 3:38  Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

 

Prov 16:4  The LORD hath made all [things] for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

 

Ecc 7:13  Consider the work of God: for who can make straight, which he hath made crooked

 

Amos 3:6  “…shall there be EVIL in a city, and the Lord has not done it?”

 

Job 26:13  By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

 

Isa 13:11 And I have appointed on the world evil, And on the wicked their iniquity, And have caused to cease the excellency of the proud, And the excellency of the terrible I make low. (Young’s Literal Translation)

 

Matt 10:34  Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.  35  For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.  36  And a man's foes [shall be] they of his own household. 

 

Job 2:10  Yet he said to her, As some decadent woman speaks are you speaking. Indeed should we receive good from the One, Elohim, and should we not receive evil? In all this, Job did not sin with his lips. (note)   << click here

 

Here is the lie that man desperately wants to believe, and does believe.  Man has more difficulty believing God than believing Satan:

 

Gen 3:4  And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:  5  For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

 

Carefully read these passages and prayerfully consider if your thoughts and actions, your choices and desires, are from God or only from you, independently and apart from any influence from God (your own so called free will):

 

Pro 16:9  Prov 16:9  A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps .

 

Pro 20:24  Man's goings [are] of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

 

Pro 21:1  The king's heart [is] in the hand of the LORD, [as] the rivers of water: He turneth it whithersoever He will.  2  Every way of a man [is] right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.

 

1 Co 4:7  For who maketh thee to differ [from another]? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive [it], why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received [it]?

 

2 Chr 20:6  (Who can withstand His will…)

6  And said, O LORD God of our fathers, [art] not thou God in heaven? and rulest [not] thou over all the kingdoms of the heathen? and in thine hand [is there not] power and might, so that none is able to withstand thee?

 

Proverbs 16:33  "The lot (choice) is cast into the lap: but the whole disposing thereof is of the Lord."

 

Jeremiah 10:23  "O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps."

 

Isa 26:12  Yahweh, our Elohim, You are the Setter of welfare on the hearthstones for us, for, moreover, all our doings You do contrive for us.

 

Isa 55 11  " . . . so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and succeed in the thing for which I sent it

 

Joh 3:27  John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven…

 

Phi 2:13  For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [His] good pleasure.

 

1Ti 2 4 who will have all men to be saved.  (Who wills — makes it a fact — that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth? God alone!)

 

Phil.2:12, 13  "for it is God Who is operating in you to will as well as to work..."

 

1 Tim 4:9  Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome  10  (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,  11  especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.

(Who is speaking here?  Who is the One saving the world?  Who are the ones with a special salvation?) 

 

1 Th 5:18 give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.

 

Rom 9:14  What, then, shall we be declaring? Not that there is injustice with God? May it not be coming to that!  15  For to Moses He is saying, "I shall be merciful to whomever I may be merciful, and I shall be pitying whomever I may be pitying."  16  Consequently, then, it is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of God, the Merciful.  17  For the scripture is saying to Pharaoh that "For this selfsame thing I rouse you up, so that I should be displaying in you My power, and so that My name should be published in the entire earth."  18  Consequently, then, to whom He will, He is merciful, yet whom He will, He is hardening.  19  You will be protesting to me, then, "Why, then, is He still blaming? for who has withstood His intention?"  20  O man! who are you, to be sure, who are answering again to God? That which is molded will not protest to the molder, "Why do you make me thus?"  21  Or has not the potter the right over the clay, out of the same kneading to make one vessel, indeed, for honor, yet one for dishonor?  22  Now if God, wanting to display His indignation and to make His powerful doings known, carries, with much patience, the vessels of indignation, adapted for destruction,  23  it is that He should also be making known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He makes ready before for glory--  24  us, whom He calls also, not only out of the Jews, but out of the nations also.

 

Eph 1:3  Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who blesses us with every spiritual blessing among the celestials, in Christ,  4  according as He chooses us in Him before the disruption of the world, we to be holy and flawless in His sight,  5  in love designating us beforehand for the place of a son for Him through Christ Jesus; in accord with the delight of His will,  6  for the laud of the glory of His grace, which graces us in the Beloved:  7  in Whom we are having the deliverance through His blood, the forgiveness of offenses in accord with the riches of His grace,  8  which He lavishes on us; in all wisdom and prudence  9  making known to us the secret of His will (in accord with His delight, which He purposed in Him)  10  to have an administration of the complement of the eras, to head up all in the Christ--both that in the heavens and that on the earth--  11  in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,  12  that we should be for the laud of His glory, who are pre-expectant in the Christ.  13  In Whom you also--on hearing the word of truth, the evangel of your salvation--in Whom on believing also, you are sealed with the holy spirit of promise  14  (which is an earnest of the enjoyment of our allotment, to the deliverance of that which has been procured) for the laud of His glory!

 

 

We, the clay, can protest all we want about any and all of our life circumstances, but so what!  It is God Who makes us do what we do.  You want to blame it on the “devil?”  Well, Who do you think created the “devil” (the Adversary or Satan)?  God did! (Rom 11:36)

 

Joh 12 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me. (And the clay said, "No God, you can't if I don't let you."  Oh, really?  What is Easter all about but the "lifting up to heaven" of Christ Jesus.  It is a done deal for all mankind, every human conceived since Adam.)

 

1 Cor 15:25  For   He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.  26  The last enemy is being abolished: death.  27  For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.  28  Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.  (The reign of Jesus ends when the last enemy, death, is abolished so that all are made alive.  << click here.  Then Jesus turns the kingdom over to His God and Father (2 Cor 11:31; Eph 1:3; Eph 4:6; 1 Pet 1:3) and is in subjection to the Father.)

 

Ecc 3:17 I said in my heart: As for the righteous and the wicked, the One, Elohim, shall judge both of them. For He has set a season for every event and for every deed.

 

Ecc 12:14 For the One, Elohim, shall bring every deed into judgment concerning all that is obscured, Whether good or whether evil.

 

Joh 15:5  “I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.  :16  You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit—

 

Eph 1:11  in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will…

 

Since God’s Son (the First of all creation, Col 1:15) told the people to save all the leftover loaves and fishes, wouldn’t God also take even better care in saving all of humanity?  Our God can do anything He wants (wills) as He is the only One with true “free will.” 

 

Mar 8:8  And they all ate and are satisfied. And they pick up of the surplus fragments, seven hampers.  9  Now those eating were about four thousand. And He dismisses them.

 

Luk 9:16  Now taking the five cakes of bread and the two fishes, looking up into heaven, He blesses them and breaks them up, and gave to the disciples to place before the throng.  17  And they ate, and all are satisfied. And twelve panniers of their superfluous fragments were picked up

 

Luk 12:7  But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows .

 

We might also ask, “Isn’t it our responsibility… what we chose to do?”

 

“The idea of responsibility (“free will” ed.) is not an innocent addition to God's revelation. It is a harmful accretion to the Scriptures, leading to much that is contrary to the truth and subversive of the knowledge of God.”  Click here for source.

 

And one more thing, using our so called “free will” suggests that we are doing something and that is works; but works is debarred to affect salvation.  Isn’t God big enough to do the job without our help?  Grace alone!

 

Rom 11:6  And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work

 

Rom 3:27  Where, then, is boasting? It is debarred! Through what law?  28  Of works? No! But through faith's law. For we are reckoning a man to be justified by faith apart from works of law.

 

Rom 7:24  A wretched man am I! What will rescue me out of this body of death?  Grace!  (CLNT)

 

Day to day we certainly must make our choices << click here.  (we go to work; we pay our bills; we miss the off-ramp) but it is not “free will.” “Free will,” as understood in traditional Christian circles, is a false dogma dreamed up centuries after Jesus Christ was on this earth.  But not having free will, does this make us automatons or puppets?  Not in the simple understanding of a puppet.  It is more complex.  We do have strings << click here.  and a re blessed by God to have them.

 

The Apostle Paul did not have free will and neither do we.  He was influenced greatly (unavoidably forced) by Jesus Himself on his walk to Damascus.  Paul, the former Saul, made many good and many bad choices both before and after his walk to Damascus.  Throughout his lifetime, all of Paul’s thoughts and actions were directed by God Himself.  This is what the Bible teaches.  All of us make our choices and are always limited and directed (even when we make “bad” choices) by God’s will and intention for every moment of our lives and beyond.  It is arrogant man who believes he is exercising “free will” rather than praising God for His guidance. 

 

Some object that if all are to be saved then they would go out and sin all they wanted to.  And that is “all right” too because you can not “out sin” grace.

 

Rom 5: …Yet where sin increases, grace superexceeds,  21  that, even as Sin reigns in death, thus Grace also should be reigning through righteousness, for life eonian, << click here.   through Jesus Christ, our Lord.  Rom 6:1  What, then, shall we declare? That we may be persisting in sin that grace should be increasing?  2  May it not be coming to that! We, who died to sin, how shall we still be living in it?

 

Does a reformed drunk run to the nearest bar to celebrate his new found sobriety?  When we realize we are saved by Jesus’ faith and grace alone, we desire and chose to do the better things in life as much as we can.

 

Did Paul have “free will?”

 

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I . {allow: Gr. know} 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do . 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

 

Do we really have the power as humans to choose good or evil? It seems that Paul didn't?

 

Did the Saviour Jesus Christ have “free will?”

 

Luk 22:39  And, coming out, He went, according to His custom, into the mount of Olives. Now the disciples also follow Him.  40  Now, coming to be at the place, He said to them, "Be praying not to be entering into trial."  41  And He is pulled away from them about a stone's throw, and kneeling, He prayed,  42  saying, "Father, if it is Thy intention, carry aside this cup from Me.  However, not My will, but Thine, be done!"

 

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Bob Todd

San Jacinto, CA USA

Last update 3/9/2011 4:45 AM

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“It is right —it really is— that men should do awful things that they might experience awful consequences (viz., sin, guilt, shame and suffering); for God has need of just such creatures as those who have known these very experiences and in the very varieties as those with which we are acquainted. In light of the fact that God is operating all (Eph. 1:11), it becomes evident that this is so. God is by no means operating all according to the whims of caprice, but according to the counsel of His will. We live, move, and have our being, for the sake of God’s own purpose. We are for Him (1 Cor. 8:6); we are not for us.”   From my friend Jim Coram  << click here. 

 

 

More to believe:

Man's Will or God's

http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/TheProblemOfEvil/evil012.html  << click

 

THE HUMAN WILL
PHILIPPIANS 2:13

http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/StudiesInPhilippians/Philippians05.html   << click

 

God’s Will and Intention

http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/TheProblemOfEvil/evil019.html  << click

 

The Phantom of Free Will

http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/TheProblemOfEvil/evil013.html  << click

 

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Added Thursday, June 11, 2009:

 

Col 2:1  For I want you to perceive what the struggle amounts to which I am having for your sakes and for those in Laodicea, and whoever have not seen my face in flesh,  2  that their hearts may be consoled, being united in love, and to all the riches of the assurance of understanding, unto a realization of the secret of the God and Father, of Christ,  3  in Whom all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are concealed .

 

For most of humanity, the messages in the Word of God are concealed.  John 3:27 says that any and all understanding (along with everything else in life, your paycheck, your health, good or bad) ALL is from God Himself and it is not from any of your effort, ultimately, at all.  It is even “worse” that that.  Take a look at these passages:

 

Rom 1:22  Alleging themselves to be wise, they are made  stupid ,

 

1 Cor 1:20  Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the discusser of this eon? Does not God make stupid the wisdom of this world?

 

Even the folks that attend and graduate from large, and small, seminaries fall into this category.  Now, don’t get upset with me here.  Quotations here are God’s words, not mine. 

 

 

Added: Thursday, April 29, 2010:

 

There are some other things I would like to say about RELIGION and POLITICS; The two things one must never talk about! (Another lie of the mainstream.)

 

http://home.earthlink.net/~rubyybur/truthdied.htm

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DB9OqtnLZHtg

About Richard I. Fine… political prisoner in LA jail with no trial for over a year.

 

http://home.earthlink.net/~rubyybur/165166whatis.htm

 

If you want to start some simple Bible study, start here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~more2believe/words.pdf

 

 

More to come no doubt