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“Give honour to our heroes fall’n how ill soe’er

the cause that bode them forth to die.”

 

William Watson
 
 
 
 

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I am proud to be a Vietnam Veteran!

"Flight Engineer" position of a C-130

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Earning my "Combat" and "Flight Pay"

 

 

Much of what I write here comes from looking back over 40 years of hindsight, many books read, much self analysis and many discussions with my fellow Vietnam Veterans.

I wish I could name everyone who contributed to the thoughts and words that make up this article I write but so many years and so much water under the bridge make that practically impossible.

When I went to Vietnam in the beginning of 1967 I had a sketchy understanding of the past 20 years fighting in Indochina: the catastrophic French defeat at Dienbienphu; the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964; the First Cavalry’s big battle in the Ia Drang Valley in 1965. I felt certain that my military knowledge could and would keep me alive.

But there was a great deal that my comrade in arms and I did not know. We did not understand that for nearly two thousand years the Vietnamese had fought valiantly against foreign invaders and occupiers, Chinese, French, and now American. We were unaware that this protracted resistance had shaped a culture that was martially competent and infinitely patient, one that placed a premium on superhuman courage and sacrifice.

We did not know that Ho Chi Minh was a nationalist first and a communist second and that his relatively recent alliance with Moscow and Peking was a marriage of convenience rather than the manifestation of a cohesive international Marxist plan. We did not comprehend that the Americans had allied themselves with a clique of corrupt and discredited Vietnamese mandarins.

Nor did we realize, to many, if not most, Vietnamese the Americans were as emblematic of colonialism and social injustice as the French, whose ill-fated effort to reassert France’s glory in Indochina after World War II had been heartily supported by Washington.

In a young airman such ignorance was forgivable, perhaps even necessary. Twenty-eight year old flight crew members who spent their time pondering geopolitical nuances would probably make poor Pilots and Flight Engineers. The military taught history that, understandably, was skewed to the prevailing American view of the world, imbued with the unique native blend of blind optimism, self-righteousness, and genuine beneficence.

What I did not know on arriving at Da Nang AB in early 1967 I could not have been expected to know; what the President, the Secretary of Defense, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Military’s top Generals did not know would cost 58,000 American lives and lose the war.

The essential morality of the soldier is that he is willing to give his life for something larger than he is. The principle that some values are worth dying for is what finally underlies patriotism – but the hard part is, which values? Vietnam was a war of great moral confusion – we were fighting for the people of Vietnam, but we never knew which of them was our enemy and which one was our friend. All we had was each other, and our pride. A soldier alone and without moral clarity, no matter how good his weapons, is a soldier crippled.

We had been willing to give our lives for our country, no less than our fathers had been at Normandy and Iwo Jima. This war, however, was different. We lost. And the country that sent us did not take us back into its arms. It either hated the war, or simply wanted to forget it.

But if the war had no value, then what were the men who fought it worth? Many Vietnam veterans thought of themselves as losers, outcasts, and suckers. They blamed everyone: protesters, the government, the media, and their friends who didn’t serve.

Or they blamed themselves and wallowed in guilt. Of course most veterans came home, put the war behind them, and proceeded with their lives. That’s what I tried to do. But for us too, the war wouldn’t quite settle into our memories.

The image was fuzzy and troubling. Even as we climbed the ladders of success and acceptance, we were never quite sure how to think about the war. The media was no help. Throughout the 1970s Vietnam Veterans were routinely portrayed in movies and on television as crazed drug addicts, psychopaths, or pathetic cripples. But that image was no more accurate than the rip ‘em up post Granada macho fantasies of Rambo.

We are, in fact, ordinary men. We are the doctor, the lawyer, the airline pilot, the plumber, and the trash collector. And instead of blaming the war for our problems, many Vietnam veterans now give it credit for their success.

The best example of what Vietnam taught its veterans is the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. On July 4, 1979, Jan Scruggs, who had been an Army Private in Vietnam, announced to the press that he had raised $144.50 toward establishing a memorial for Vietnam Veterans in Washington. It was the perfect beginning. A memorial for all of us, announced not by a grateful President, but by a buck private

After building their own memorial veterans decided to give their own parade, a full scale ticker-tape parade down the canyons of lower Manhattan, a hero’s parade. They had remembered, finally, what they learned in the war: no one cares, really, except the men you are with; if you want anything, you have to do it yourself.

The parade began on the Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn Bridge on a bright May morning. Memorial Day, 1985. More than 25,000 of us, an aging army in blue jeans, Brooks Brothers suits, and faded combat fatigues gone tight around the waist, milled about, preparing to cross the bridge on one last mission.

Back at the parade headquarters and at a fund raising dinner the night before we all had been apprehensive. We didn’t know what we would find on the other side of the bridge, whether we would be cheered or booed or just ignored as we had always been. We didn’t know what America thought of us. But when we crossed the bridge the next morning we were singing "Born In The USA" at the top of our lungs. By then, if no one had been there it wouldn’t have mattered. We were marching for ourselves.

The parade passed City Hall. More than a million people crowded the streets, standing four and five deep on the sidewalks, with many others in windows, overlooking the street. They were waving flags. The policeman and sanitation workers lining the sidewalks applauded as we passed.

All along the sidewalk people were shouting at to us.

"Welcome Home!"

"Welcome Home!"

"We love you!"

Thanks I thought.

Better late than never.

Yes, I am A Vietnam Veteran, but I hid this fact from people for several years after the war, because I was caught up in the National shame of being involved in the War in Vietnam.

I did not want friends to know how I spent a year of my life facing my mortality and being involved with what so many protested as an American mistake.

When my own service, the United States Air Force, acted as if we should hide the fact of our involvement by ordering us to never wear our uniforms off base, I was convinced it was a shameful thing I had been involved in, even though it was my country that ordered me and over a million others to go to that place and defend something.

I never gave it much thought whether it was right or wrong to fight in that war. My country sent me, and because I was a Soldier I went.

When my country abandoned the South Vietnamese I was ashamed of that. I was ashamed of the way the United States ran helter-skelter from the friends they had promised to support.

I was ashamed at the lack of support our country showed us. We were never given the support that America had given its military throughout history. It was as if it were our fault that things did not go right for this country that had gotten us involved and did not have the resolve to finish what it had started.

It is now almost forty years after my war in Vietnam, and somewhere along the way my thinking changed in the way I see my personal involvement.

The pride started creeping into my thinking as we, the Vietnam Veterans, started the movement to get a Memorial, "The Wall". Since Americans and our own government abandoned us, we would pay for and build our own Memorial.

The war protesters, the draft dodgers could go on with their lives after Jimmy Carter gave them amnesty.

So, our lives could go on too, even if we only recognized our accomplishments without support of the American people. I started seeing other Vietnam Veterans as Brothers, and shared what only close brothers could share.

I began also, to think of the war as a test, a rite of passage that my Father's generation went through in World War Two, and my Brother went through in Korea. I know now, that had I not gone to Vietnam when I was called, I would wonder all my life if I had what it takes to be an American, called on to do a duty for my country. I don't have to wonder. I served. I went when called.

I have spoken with many men since the war, who did not serve in the military. Many say they wished they had gone. They feel a part of their life passed by while they watched from the sidelines. They will carry with them to the grave an unanswered question that I was fortunate enough to have answered. Would I serve if called by my country?

I did and I survived, and now I walk with my head held high.

When I meet other Vietnam Veterans I immediately feel a Bond, a Brotherhood that only we, who have been there, can understand. My life would be missing a large part if I did not have this comradeship with my fellow Veterans.

Some say, "it's been over thirty years ago, forget about it." I am here to tell you that you can not forget the defining episode in your life that sets you apart from others.

How can you forget something as life changing an experience as the War in Vietnam was for so many American men?

Some who are old enough to remember where they were and what they were doing when John F. Kennedy was shot, or when Martin Luther King was shot can no more forget that, than a Vietnam Veteran can forget about the combat in which he was involved so long ago.

How can someone who did not experience it, and does not know if they would have gone had they been called, tell Veterans to get over it and forget it?

I wore the uniform of The United States Air Force for 26 years. I went when called to serve in Vietnam

For that I stand tall!

I am proud.

I am a Vietnam Veteran,

George Martin, Da Nang RVN

First Tour -1967 - 1968

Second Tour - 1969 - 1970

 
 
 
"FIGMO"
(Forget It, Got My Orders)

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Last Day of My First "Tour" in Vietnam

Duty Honor Country

On The Ground At Barber's Point Hawaii

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After 12 Hour Overwater "Training Mission"

For those who fought For it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know

AC-130-Spectre Gunship

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Learn about the AC-130 Spectre here.

 

 

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest thing; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth a war is worse.

A man who has nothing which he cares more about than his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of living free, unless made and kept so by better men than himself."

John Stuart Mill, 1850

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Yes, we'll rally 'round the flag, boys
We'll rally 'round again
Shouting the battle cry of Freedom
We will rally from the hillside
We'll gather from the plain
Shouting the battle cry of Freedom

The Union forever, hurrah boys, hurrah
Down with the traitor, up with the star
While we rally 'round the flag, boys
Rally once again
Shouting the battle cry of Freedom

We will welcome to our numbers
The loyal, true and brave
Shouting the battle cry of Freedom
And although he may be poor
Not a man shall be a slave
Shouting the battle cry of Freedom

So we're springing to the call
From the East and from the West
Shouting the battle cry of Freedom
And we'll prove a loyal crew
To the land we love the best
Shouting the battle cry of Freedom

The Grunt Bore The Brunt of This War!

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POW/MIA It's Time To Bring Them Home

"If you are able, save for them a place inside of you and save one backward glance when you are leaving for the places they can no longer go.

Be not ashamed to say you loved them, though you may or may not have always. Take what they have taught you with their dying and keep it with your own. And in that time when men decide and feel safe to call the war insane, take one moment to embrace those gentle heroes you left behind."

Major Michael O'Donnell

KIA March 24, 1970

Dak To, Vietnam

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Preflighting an A1-E

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So, Think You Know Fear?

I learned what real fear was when 122 mm rockets came screaming in to Da Nang AB in the middle of the night. I remember this night well! The next day Stars and Stripes ran headlines that said "Red Rockets Rake Da Nang!
 
I think it was worse for my family.

I knew I was alright, but it would take weeks before they knew it. We did not have email, chat rooms, or even computers. It was snail mail all the way.

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I was on the flightline the night this B-52 crashed.

He was hit by a SAM over North Vietnam that blew out his hydraulic systems. He had no flaps, no brakes, and no steering, Besides all that he landed 5,000 feet long, halfway down one of the two runways at Da Nang.
 
He went off the end of the runway and ended up in a mine field that killed all in the crew except the tail gunner.
 
I happened to be in the DOOM Club later when a call came in from the hospital asking if it would be okay for the Gunner to have a beer sent over.
 
I think several cases of beer headed to the hospital for all the troops over there.  

 

 

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Spirits Of The Wall

I never intended to visit The Wall.

One year, I found myself in room at the Hilton Hotel in DC on a business trip. I told a non vet friend of mine that I was going to go visit the Vietnam Veterans Memorial and would be back by midnight. This was about 22:00 hours.

I thought it would be like going to see the Washington Monument or something. I didn't expect what happened after that and I can't explain it... really.

I jumped in a cab and headed down to The Wall. As I got out of the cab I noticed that it was really hot and steamy. Just like Vietnam, I thought. I noticed some booths where the POW issue was being promoted, but chose to walk directly down a ramp to The Wall, avoiding the booths. It was very quiet.

As I started walking towards The Wall, I couldn't see it in view yet, it seemed that my steps were getting heavier and heavier. I felt really strange, like I was on something, but I was completely straight.

I rounded the corner and it all came into view. Suddenly and very unexpectedly, I lost my breath as tears came pouring down my face. All I could think of was "There's my boys, there's my boys ... there they are...!"

As I walked deeper into The Wall, things progressed. I could not stop from crying, I felt happy and sad, all at the same time. I felt that THEY were there and that I could feel them and that they were welcoming me there. I could feel a feeling, a feeling that words can't describe, a feeling, maybe more of a state of mind, which I had not felt since my days in Vietnam. Yes, I could feel Vietnam, I once again could really feel like I was back in Vietnam and I was glad to be there. I had forgotten what It felt like... Vietnam was all around me, flowing through me.

I felt that I could not leave and really didn't want to. I stayed, that first night, until 04:30 hours. I just wondered around The Wall, back and forth. I could hear a sound, a sort of music in my mind, a clatter of some kind, a racing, pacing, sort of thing. A hot LZ sound? Maybe. It was like they all showed up at once ... the ghosts ... the ghosts of the Vietnam War.

I couldn't believe how many visitors that were there at 03:00. People just kept coming and coming, walking in silence. Yet, I knew that I could feel a sense of belonging, a sense duty. I could really feel them all very ... very strongly. They are spirits joined to each other and to each and every one of us.

I began to think that I had snapped, gone over the edge ... finally. I wondered if I would be OK. Just then another vet approached me. He was wearing jungle fatigues and a Green Beret, "This your first visit, huh?" I mumbled, "It shows, does it?" He said, "Yeah, but you'll be OK."

I told him how I thought that I could feel them all, could hear them in my mind trying to communicate. He told of how so many, many come there for that very reason. That somewhere between 22:00 and 24:00 hours that they all come screaming in and then disappear around dawn... just like Vietnam. He said mostly every Viet Vet feels the same thing, but only in the night.

I asked why they were there, why did they show up? He looked me in the eye and said softly and very slowly, "Because... they... have nowhere... else to go."

I stared down at The Wall... a chill ran down my back that sent goose bumps all over my body. I was numb. More tears. I wanted to stop crying and could not. When I looked up, the Green Beret had vanished... nowhere in sight. It was like he jumped in a tunnel. Gone. Di Di. Het Roi.

Sure enough, as dawn approached all of these feeling evaporated as surely as the dew leaves the grass surrounding the memorial. I felt normal again and headed back to the hotel. In the hotel I wondered if I had imagined all of this.

My whole stay in Washington turned into a non-stop pilgrimage to the memorial. That's all I wanted to do... hang at The Wall. I looked up every vet I knew whose name was on The Wall. Found one I didn't know about until that day.

During the day it was like any other attraction in Washington except, heavier traffic than anything else. Even saw the Soviet Army come by. I noticed that one point of THE WALL, pointed directly at Capital Hill... there they are... The Masters of War themselves. Those who sold us all out as the blood ran out of our bodies and was buried in the mud. Even Jesus would never forgive what they’ve done.

But at night, whew, I would sit and wait for them to show up... and they always did. It would start as a trickle... then turn into a monsoon rush. The air changed and all the feelings came pouring out. They were there... they were there for us all.

I took pictures during both day visits and one night visit. During the night visit, I felt it not right, not appropriate, to be taking pictures, but I did anyway. When I got the film back, the night roll was all blank. I'm a good photographer and have never had this happen before or since. You figure it out.

I'm a fairly stable guy, family, kids and a good life. I'm not one to be drawn into such things. I don't know what happened down there and I am still always thinking about going back. I know that I belong there.

If there is any vet that has not made the journey to The Wall, you really should, you owe it to yourself. They want you there. It is all that they have. Go seek it out... but go at night... spend a night there awake... just like you did in Nam. If you really spend a night with them... if you do that... then you'll believe everything that I have written here.

Mark Cuddy, 9th Infantry Division,  Mekong Delta 1968 - 1969

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Playing Tag With Ground Fire

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Freedom is not Free

 
 
 
 
 
 
20TH Tactical Air Support Squadron
Unit Shoulder Patch

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O1-E On The Top        O2-A On The Bottom 
Both Flown by the 20TH TASS
Da Nang AB, RVN

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COVEY FAC MISSION
 
The mission of the Covey FACs (Forward Air Controllers)from Danang was to provide 24 hour coverage of the eastern part of the  Tigerhound area; to include the southern portion of North Vietnam from Dong Hoi south to the DMZ.
 
To interdict enemy supply routes from eastern Laos into the  RSVN; to support U.S. Army Special Forces Operations (Prairie Fire); and to conduct visual reconnaissance of their Area of Operations (AO) for intelligence purposes.
 
In the fall of 1968, Covey  Facs ceased their operations over the southern part of North Vietnam.   In early 1973, as the war de-escalated, and prior to their de-activation, Covey   Facs ceased their out-of-country operations and flew missions in support of in-country operations.
  
The mission of the Tigerhound Pleiku Detachment Covey Facs was to provide continuous coverage of the southern part of the  Tigerhound area; to interdict enemy supply routes leading from southern Laos into the  RSVN; to support the U.S. Army Special Forces Operations; and to conduct active reconnaissance of their assigned area for intelligence purposes.
 
In July of 1968, the mission of the  Pleiku Covey Facs was increased to encompass a 30 mile span of Route 165 extending northwest of  Chavane.
 
In June of 1970, the northern third of Cambodia was added to the   Pleiku Covey's Area of Operations. To accomplish this mission, air assets were increased by eight aircraft and ten pilots.
 
SOME USEFUL DEFINITIONS:
 
To clear up some confusion with regards to the use of terms to designate specific AOs, Steel Tiger, Barrel Roll, and Tigerhound were names applied to "Route Packs" in Laos; target areas comparable to Route Packs 1 through V1-A and B in North Vietnam. 
 
Tally-Ho referenced target areas in the DMZ area.
 
BARREL ROLL:  The area of operations along the Laotian border with North Vietnam.  US interdiction and close air support operations, mainly out of Thailand, began at the end of 1964.
 
STEEL TIGER:  The area of operations south of Barrel Roll.  Air Force and Navy units began operations to interdict the logistic network in April 1965.
 
TIGERHOUND:  The area of operations in southeastern Laos, south of Steel Tiger.  Operations in this AO began at the end of 1965
 
TALLY-HO:  USAF and US Marines joint area of operations between the DMZ and the area 30 miles northward in Route Package 1.
 
Slow-moving FAC coverage was limited to the more mountainous western region of the AO. Fast-movers covered the eastern plains area. Operations begain 20 July 66.
 
ROLLING THUNDER: Code name identifies the conduct of Air Operations against North Vietnam. (1965-1968).

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My Brother, Charlie
1934 - 2002

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Three things carved into a tombstone:
Date of Birth
A Dash
Date of Death
My brother Charlie, did more during his dash through life than any man I have known!

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Til the last landing's made,
and we stand unafraid
on a shore no mortal has seen...
'til the last bugle call
sounds taps for us all, it's
Semper Fidelis Marines!
 
~Authoe Unknown To Me~

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