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POW*MIA
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POW*MIA

On the Thirtieth Anniversary of the end of the Vietnam War, this product has been permanently removed out of respect for those who did not come home.  Understand that this tee shirt design was never intended to insult or offend any person and I apologize for any hardship that I may have caused through the use of this design.
 
We are in the process of calculating the profits that we have received  from the tee shirt in question and Skin Industries will pay all such profits to the AMERICAN GOLD STARS MOTHERS, INC.
 
Please accept my sincere apology,

Al Borda
CEO of the SKIN  EMPIRE
Skin Industries, Skin Entertainment & Skin Retail Group

 

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I don't know if it is true, but no one's life should be threatened.   Hopefully, something like this will not be done in the future to trigger such a response.  
    Thank you to all, who handled this properly, and with respect to the POW*MIA Issue.
            Jack    http://www.CapVeterans.com
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: Al Borda
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:36 PM

Thank you for contacting us regarding the design contained on one of our shirts.  As President of Skin, I can assure you that it was not, and is not, our intention to offend those who have served in the military or members of their family.  Skin has thousands of customers on active duty in all branches of our country's armed forces and regularly receives both requests for merchandise and notes of appreciation from those stationed overseas.  
 
At this point, you may or may not be aware that I have discussed our prior design at length with Mr. John Pagel II, the Chairman of a leading POW/MIA organization, Task Force Omega, Inc.  We had an interesting and enjoyable discussion about the POW/MIA issues facing this country and Mr. Pagel suggested minor modifications to the presentation of this item.  We have both renamed and redesigned this item in order to incorporate Mr. Pagel's suggestions.  The new design can be viewed at http://www.skinindustries.com/shop/product68.html.
 
I hope that you can spread the goods news just as fast as you spread the bad news. I find it very childish that some people in your groups would call our receptionist and threaten her life because of something she has no control over. I guess these always a few bad apples in the bunch!
 
If you have any additional questions, please feel free to contact me at alborda@skinindustries.com or phone me at 951.296.9580.
 
Sincerely,
 
Al Borda
 
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"Responsible protest does not include threatening or issuing physical or property injuries or damages…"
 
We need to get organized to stop Jane Fonda's new try at American Influence.   Threats of violence only boosters  the stereo-typical image, we are trying to remake with the truth...   Rambo's gone for good!
Let us not be judged based on few...Jack   http://www.CapVeterans.com
 
THIS IS MY TOWN is a recent Country-Western hit.  I like to think that America is my town.   WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.
 
 
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:42 PM
Subject: C'mon Guys, let there be no threats...

C'mon Guys, let there be no threats, save they be economic from not purchasing the product or products with the symbol in discussion... 

I received the following e-mail post moments ago and note the seriousness of the ramifications…. Responsible protest does not include threatening or issuing physical or property injuries or damages… 

If you wish to protest what they are doing re: the appearing similar rip-off of the POW/MIA symbol, that’s all well and good and should be made known. 

There should only be responsible protest. 

No violence, no threats of violence, injuries of damages… 

Let’s all be responsible in this. 

Thank you….. 

Hope…..Rick

 

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From: vva@vva2.talklist.com [mailto:vva@vva2.talklist.com]On Behalf Of
Orry133@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 18:22
To:
vva@vva2.talklist.com
Subject: Re: VVA: Skin Industries and POW logo 

SOMEHOW I did NOT receive that email about it being settled.  I did go down and had a nice conversation with their rep today. IT SEEMS THERE are a few jackass idiots claiming to be Vietnam Vets that   have been calling up and making very serious threats to their personnel and building. One person called while I was there claiming to be a VietVet biker  and threatened to come and burn their building down. This type of crap HAS TO STOP. Long Beach Police Department has been informed of this incident and now the phones will be tapped. Pass the word that this type of behavior HAS TO STOP IMMEDIATELY. We are getting a bad name and it does not do anyone any good will doing it this way.     orry

 

Mike Oravetz

 

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Please help with this disgrace.   Please write your email to SkinIndustries and then pass something onto your friends, who might care about this.
  Thank You
         Jack     http://www.CapVeterans.com
 
----- Original Message -----
Please send these fools your own email to complain about this disgrace.
John

Skin Industries,    http://www.skinindustries.com/shop/product76.html

MS. Brittany,   brittany@skinindustries.com

I was shocked to learn that Skin Industries is marketing a shirt that mimics the POW/MIA flag.  I am sure that your company did not intend to offend the Families of the POW/MIA (Prisoners of War & Missing In Action) and the Veteran community but you have.

The symbol that you have co-opted by placing the nude silhouette of a woman where a soldiers outline belongs is the only means for us to remember those who have never come home.  The POW/MIAs are Americans who served their country honorably but we as a people have not been able to account for them

Please take steps to immediately stop the sale of this offensive shirt.  You may consider making a monetary donation to the POW/MIA families as a step in making amends.

Sincerely,
James Simchera
Vietnam Veteran


 
Danny,

 Could you forward this to your email list so that we can get people to send a message to this company how much they have disrespected the POW/MIAs. I think they know full well what they were copying. I am also going to send a message to Milo with RFTW and see if they can put out an email to all of the RFTW supporters and maybe to the Rolling Thunder group also. I think we should start this going around so that we can get as many people as possible to send messages to this company of the insult of their t-shirt graphic. I went up and talked to the guys wearing them and let them know how disrespectful the shirt was. There were about 6 or 7 of them. All young with no idea what it represented. They mostly didnt know what the POW/MIA was. A little enlightenment helped.

I think the emails should be addressed to the President of Skin Industries. We might even want to make a ride up to the main store in Signal Hill sometime if they dont take action and stop the printing of the shirt or recall them all and let them know we are serious. Thats what the message should be is to recall all of the shirts and destroy them.

We need to stop this NOW!!!

Thanks,

Mil Thornton

NEVER FORGET
Heres the link for the shirt.
http://www.skinindustries.com/shop/product76.html

Heres the email address for their customer service.
brittany@skinindustries.com


Respectfully,

Joseph A. Jennings III
Exec. Dir.
VVA "BUCKEYE" State Council

"For those that have fought for it, ' FREEDOM ' has a flavor the protected will never know"

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Visit the site of Nikki Mendicino, a 15 year old (oops...16 year old now) POW/MIA activist and Veteran Advocate for the past seven years. Read about her many accomplishments and awards. http://nikkiusa.com

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UPDATES

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:56 AM
Subject: The POW FLAG and or Symbol is not a registered trademark by Al Borda

Mr Borda, 
 
I have read your reply to the complaints you have recieved as noted below.
 
I have written you an email concerning the design, but first let inform you, the "FLAG" and or "Symbol" is not a registered trademark and is not a copyright. First of all you can only Trademark a design, you can copyright a concept like a book or movie. In 1991 Congress after 21 years
recognize that symbol as a flag it is public domain, just like the American flag. I am not telling you this to make me right and to prove you wrong, this is just to give you the true facts. I understand your concerns, I really do. After you read my letter I do hope to hear back from you.

I'm sorry you feel that the design contained on one of our shirts is offensive. As President of Skin, I can assure you that it was not, and is not, our intention to offend those who have served in the military or members of their family. Skin has thousands of customers on active duty in all branches of our country's armed forces and regularly receives both requests for merchandise and notes of appreciation from those stationed overseas. We have offered a fifty percent discount on merchandise to military personnel and have been supporting our nation's troops long before it was fashionable to do so.

Support for our troops and our nation's veterans remains extremely important to me on a personal level. Both my father and my stepfather served in the Air Force. My stepfather completed two tours of duty in Korea and three in Vietnam. In fact, the first five years of my life were spent living
on military bases overseas. Therefore, I have gone the extra mile on this issue and have discussed our design at length with Mr. John Pagel II, the Chairman of a leading POW/MIA organization, Task Force Omega, Inc. We had an interesting and enjoyable discussion about the POW/MIA issues
facing this country and Mr. Pagel suggested minor modifications to the presentation of this item. I intend to incorporate Mr. Pagel's suggestions into future advertising and production runs.

I understand that some will take offense to certain merchandise, no matter how it is designed or presented. I hope you can understand that our customers do not take offense and deserve the right to be able to purchase and enjoy merchandise of their own choosing. Both my father and my stepfather served in the military in order to help protect and preserve our American freedoms, including our freedom of expression. This was important to them and it is important to me and to our loyal customers.

Sincerely,
Al Borda
 
               
 
As a 100% disabled Vietnam veteran your letter is hogwash if you are trying to say no one realized that this ignorant T-shirt that your company is making is not a spin off of the POW Emblem you are full of it. This is just to let you know what John Kerry found out last November, the Internet is no place to tick off the Veterans of this country, this is going to make it's way back to you ten thousand times over.  DROP the design, as a possible customer I am telling you this for your own good, I do find your shirt design to be in very poor taste and a slap in the face of brave men who DID give you the right of freedom of expression and speech. Now you as a good American must use these freedoms in such a way that it could not be construed as a slap to the ones who gave you that freedom.
 
If your people are that hard up for designs I can make a few for you as I am a well known webmaster who does all my own designs on my well known Vietnam Veterans Web Site.
 
I'm not writing to you to scare you or threaten you. But I will tell you this, if that design is not changed in a BIG way you will regret your decision to take on the Veteran community now that this is on the Internet, we took Kerry down, we can take your little outfit apart. By the way just run my screen name in the Google Search engine ( ViperAsh50 ) I'm dead serious letters will be flying all over the Internet by tomorrow...Do the honorable and correct thing, don't let your ego get in the way you may even get more new customers than you can handle if you do it right.
 
Like I said if your designers are so hard up they have to steal ideas give me a yell I do rather well with graphics. And I won't even charge you for them. As long as they are patriotic!
 
Sincerely,
165 Vietnam Veteran Websites many Association or VFW or VVAW Sites. 
 

PLEASE  PRESS  THE  NEXT  LINK  TO  LEARN  ABOUT  A  MASSACRE  THAT  THE  AMERICAN  NEWS  MEDIA  DID  NOT  COVER.

PLEASE PRESS THE PICTURE FOR A LARGER PICTURE

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http://home.earthlink.net/~ducducvietnamfriends/an_unknown_massacre_in_vietnam/id8.html
 
 
 
 

WHAT DID JANE FONDA REALLY DO (In Short)
 
 
JANE FONDA AND JOHN KERRY WORKING FOR AMERICA'S ENEMY TOGETHER
 
 
A MESSAGE FROM JANE FONDA ABOUT HER VIETNAM TRIP
 
 
I might be pissing in the wind, but I have to do something...   Please press the link:   

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A  "PRO SE"   PTSD  VIETNAM  VET  WINS  A  LEGAL  MALPRACTICE  CASE  AGAINST  A  VICE-CHAIRMAN  OF  ATTORNEY  ETHICS.
 

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A  PIECE  OF  FORGOTTEN  AMERICAN  HISTORY
 
THE  BATTLE  OF  MINISINK..
 
 HOSPITAL  ROCK
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   Please press the link to learn the details.
 
 

 
 
NEWSWEEK    SCORES  A  BIG  ONE  FOR  THE  TERRORISTS

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"There is... a deep anti-military bias in the media.  One that begins from the premise that the military must be lying, and that American projection of power around the world must be wrong.   I think that that is a hangover from Vietnam, and I think it's very dangerous."
-- Terry Moran, Chief ABC White House Correspondent,    
http://www.hughhewitt.com/
 
 
 
 

 
PLEASE  PRESS  THE  BELOW  LINK  TO  VISIT  OUR  NEWSWEEK  POLL  AND  ADD  YOUR  COMMENTS.
 
 
 

 
 
"In 1982, the public perception of a Vietnam vet was Sylvester Stallone's film character RAMBO, a mentally disturbed and thoroughly fictionalized ex-soldier."
 
 
VETS  WHO  MADE  A  DIFFERENCE
 
 
 
AGENT  ORANGE  IMPORTANT  INFORMATION
 
 

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ALL  VIETNAM  VETERANS  ARE  ELIGIBLE  FOR  AGENT  ORANGE  EXAMS.
PLEASE  PASS  THIS  IMPORTANT  INFORMATION  TO  ALL  VIETNAM  VETERANS,  WHO  YOU  KNOW.

 
 
COMBINED  ACTION  PROGRAM  (CAP)
 
PLEASE  PRESS  THE  BELOW  LIFE  MAGAZINE  COVER  TO  LEARN  ABOUT  THE  VIETNAM  UNIT  THAT  HAD  THE  NICKNAME  "THE  PEACE  CORPS  VOLUNTEERS  WITH  RIFLES."

PLEASE PRESS THE BELOW ARTICLE TO READ
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SURRENDER  WAS  NEVER  AN  OPTION
The Vietnam War Experiences of a Proud Vietnam Vet.
 

 
PLEASE  PRESS  HERE  TO  LEARN  A  LIST  OF  AMERICAN  CELEBRITIES,  WHO  REALLY  DO  CARE  ABOUT  AMERICA'S  VETERANS  AND  CURRENT  MILITARY

 
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The poem listed on the below website is the  "Dear Vietnam Veteran"  Letter.

International War Veterans' Poetry Archives

 

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JACK CUNNINGHAM

United States Marine Corps
Phu Da, Vietnam
1970 - 1971

Jack Cunningham: Dear Vietnam Veteran


Visit Jack's website,
"Surrender Was Not an Option"
 

 
 
 
 

 
 
THIS   IS   HAPPENING   ACROSS   AMERICA
 
 

 
FOR  THOSE  OF  YOU  WHO  BELIEVE  THAT  JANE FONDA  IS  A  NATIONAL  HERO,  AND  FOR  THOSE  OF  YOU  WHO DON'T  BELIEVE  SHE  IS,  PLEASE  PRESS  THE  BELOW  LINK:

 
 

 
 

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Check out the Viet-Myths website.  We're another group working on trying to get the truth out on the Vietnam War. 
            Regards,
           Mike Benge,
     Former VN POW '68-73
 
 

Examining the Myths of the Vietnam War

A Conference,
under the auspices of The RADIX Foundation,
which took place at Simmons College,
300 The Fenway, Boston MA, 26-29 July 2004


"The Vietnam War was mis-reported by the Media, mis-recorded by the Historians, mis-taught in our schools and mis-applied in addressing policy decisions.
MMMM should replace UUUU as our recognition symbol."
 

Stephen Sherman

http://www.viet-myths.net/OSession01.htm

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In the long run, understanding communications is all up to personal interpretation.  Everyone has different emotional filters based on their life experiences. 

 

TERRI SCHINDLER:   REMEMBER THE KAREN ANN QUINLAN STORY IN 1975

Learn what Karen Ann Quinlan's parents did in her name.   Maybe, something similar could happen in Terri Schindler's name.   (Or you can donate in Terri Schindler's name directly to the Karen Ann Quinlan Hospice.)
 
 

 

 
THE  BELOW  ARTICLES  COME  FROM  THE  BOOK
DIRTY  LITTLE  SECRETS  OF  THE  VIETNAM  WAR
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Spanne

Well, Folks:
 
Jane Fonda has done a mea culpa for sitting on an NVA Triple A gun.  A gun responsible for downing many a US Airman over North Vietnam during that year of 1972.
 
Now Jane is "So sorry," but why?  BECAUSE JANE FONDA IS SELLING A BOOK.  And Leslie Stahl and the rest of the 60 Minutes (CBS) turncoats are helping her facilitate the whole snow job.
 
I thought this was the "Flower Generation."  These were the rabid anti-capitalists, who have now sold out like the rest of their ilk for the almighty buck.
 
Well Jane, on behalf of all Vietnam Veterans  (living and dead) TAKE YOUR MANUSCRIPT, PUT A NICE BORDER ON IT, PUT IT ON A ROLL AND PUT IT WHERE IT BELONGS:  NEXT TO THE CRAPPER!
 
Tom Spanne 2/9/3 Company Corpsman
U.S. Marines 9th MAB

 

Years ago, Jane Fonda stood up for her beliefs in the name and honor of communism.

Now, Jane Fonda is pushing her capitalistic beliefs.   She wants to make money with her new book and new movie. 

Things change...

Years ago, DISNEY made it big on good, moral, honorable, American family stories.  It's when DISNEY changed their format that the Corporation started having problems.

Wal-Mart made it big;  because they advertised everything sold in the store was American-Made.

Boy, how things change!!

    Jack   http://www.CapVeterans.com 

 

 
It wasn't Jane's fault.   It was because her former husbands made her do it.
(SHE  MUST  BE  TRYING  TO  MAKE  A  COMEBACK.
SHE THINKS AMERICANS ARE STUPID...)
 
 

 
 

 
WHAT HAPPENED IN VIETNAM  ON  MARCH  29, 1971   THIRTY-FOUR  YEARS AGO
 

PLEASE  PRESS  THE  DOCTOR  DONOHUE  ARTICLE  TO  LEARN  MORE  ABOUT  POST  TRAUMATIC  STRESS  DISORDER  (PTSD).

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Help Democracy grow in Iraq.  Be part of the solution...
             Jack_Cunningham

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"A true friend is someone who thinks you are a good egg   

even though he knows 

       you are slightly cracked." 

 
Adopt  An  American  Veteran
 

 
It's time that American Democrat Leaders got behind a solution and pushed it forward, instead of their DOOM and GLOOM forecasts.  John Kerry is still the Democrats top forecaster.  Does any Democrats think the Iraq Election was a major step forward...   Or are all Democrat politicians afraid of John Kerry, Ted Kennedy and their soon to be elected leader, Howard Dean? 
    There must to be some Democrat Politicians, who are NOT afraid of their Far-Left Leadership...?
      Jack
 
Rice: Iraqi Voting Exceeds Expectations
2 minutes ago
Add to My Yahoo!  Top Stories - AP

By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer

WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites) said the Iraqi elections went "better than expected" Sunday, despite incomplete reports about the extent of voter turnout in areas plagued by intimidation and violence.

 
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She also called insurgents "terrible thugs" who will not succeed in stopping voting and the progress of democracy in Iraq (news - web sites).

"Every indication is that the election in Iraq is going better than expected," Rice said on ABC's "This Week."

But Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), D-Mass., sounded a note of caution in an interview on NBC's "Meet The Press."

"It is hard to say that something is legitimate when whole portions of the country can't vote and doesn't vote," Kerry said.

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STOP  TERRORISM  AT  ITS  VILLAGE  SOURCE.  Support the Marine Corps' Combined Action Program (CAP) and the other Military Branches' Civil Action Programs in Iraq. 

What CAP did in Vietnam is again working in Iraq!    http://home.earthlink.net/~american_families/id5.html 

OFFICIAL  CAP MARINE  Website 
http://capmarine.com/

 
 
Pictures  From  A  Marine Corps'  CAP Villlage. http://home.earthlink.net/~vietnamwar

Americans did it before...   This is not about politics.

Former CAP Marine Tim Duffie  tduffie@cinci.rr.com  is in contact with Marine Officers of CAP in Iraq.   What CAP did in Vietnam is again working in Iraq!    http://home.earthlink.net/~american_families/id5.html      Lets help the Iraqi People directly.   Please learn how you can help the Iraqi People in these CAP Villages.   Get involved.   Let the Iraqi People learn the truth of the kindness of the American People.
       If the interest to help is there, maybe something can be started with the right people helping out!    During the Vietnam War, packages of needed goods were sent directly through the U.S. Mail to CAP Marines.   The U.S. Navy Corpsmen could always use some family medical supplies to pass around.  However, because of the War on Terrorism and packages, there might be rules in place now.  
      Sometimes, these villages needed schools.  The CAP Marines and Navy Seabees did the work for free.   However, cost of supplies to build and run the school were donated by CAP Marines' families, friends, former schoolmates, fellow-Church members, etc.   I heard of one CAP Navy Corpsman, who paid for one school himself.
       During the Vietnam War, few Americans ever heard of CAP Villages.  
 
TO  KEEP  A  VILLAGE  FREE  LIFE Magazine  http://home.earthlink.net/~life_magazine_67
 
OFFICIAL  CAP MARINE  Website 
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